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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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so just to give you an example of how

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things have turned out in this crazy

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world of alleged ufology i got a letter

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from someone prominent in the so-called

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ufo field i say so-called

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who said when he comes on the show next

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he doesn't want to talk about quote

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bloody

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who can blame him except there has been

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no more active discussion

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this week than roswell's slides and it

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doesn't end now those of you who were

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listening to after the power cast which

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is part of our premium powercast plus

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service

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we'll realize we didn't talk about it a

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lot but in the sense of solving

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the mystery of what was on those slides

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which was of course

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the mummified remains of a two-year-old

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well the jury's still out on that gene

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uh we can't take anything that lance

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moody

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and some of the debunkers out there

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who have been involved in in analyzing

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the uh

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so-called slides we can't take anything

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that they say as gospel

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until we have third party and fourth

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verification

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but you know even anthony bergalia

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came out with a blog entry saying not

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only did he agree with that analysis but

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he found the source he actually found

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the source of that particular mummy and

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where that picture came from well we're

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going to talk about that later with our

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guest but again anything that anthony

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begalya is involved with

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uh you know i need a salt factories

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worth of salt

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before i'll accept anything at face

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value that he says

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now just to continue on this very

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what we're talking about here is that

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after the may 5th event in mexico city a

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group of people associated with the

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roswell slide study group and they

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include people by the way we know from

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the show like paul kimball who was once

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a co-host although he takes a pretty

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skeptical stance lance moody

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and i agree that things that lance says

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sometimes are less incredible

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also kurt collins

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who is a very responsible person he's

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been on the show he's been a guest

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co-host he's been on after the power

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cast all these people were involved in

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this roswell slide study group

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and they use

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software to de-blur

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the image of this placard

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next to the

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that's shown in these roswell slides

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even frank warren did some of that work

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and came up with a similar result

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apparently in his newsletter ufo

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chronicles so it's not something unusual

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they all came up with this story that

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it's the mummified remains of a

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two-year-old boy supposedly we have the

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source of it all right that's something

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the next episode of after the power cast

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we'll have kurt collins of the roswell

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slide study group to explain what it's

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all about so we can go over a few of the

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issues for 20 or 30 minutes in the

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after the power cast as you see we'll

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or sometimes are totally different how

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things are i think the biggest thing

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2010. i can't tell you how many times

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we've said let's just make this the last

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discussion about roswell

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yeah i have said that once or twice

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haven't i once or twice an episode well

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we're going to get into it today i mean

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i uh ron mcgare of course i've known ron

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almost 20 years now and ron is one of

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the my go-to guys in the field i really

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background engineering background

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and he also is

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you know uses common sense which is a i

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we're slowly losing that particular

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human trait i think out there especially

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in this field of ufology but ron is one

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of those people that tends to use common

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sense when looking at some of these

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controversies and

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having a discussion over breakfast with

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him this morning he brought up some very

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interesting points that i really would

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like to get into today

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concerning

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this latest installment of the roswell

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as it propagates throughout culture

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and extending its tendrils far and wide

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so uh it's gonna be a i think a really

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good interesting eye-opening show

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especially uh you know since he's been

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working on a book i think the working

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title is another damn book about roswell

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and uh kind of a unique um scenario here

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today gene we we have ron

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live here at the house so

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ron and i can

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look at each other and wink wink and

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nudge nudge during the show so it's

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gonna be some we're gonna have some fun

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be careful about the wink wink and nudge

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nudge and the reason by the way ron is

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met ron

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once at the international ufo conference

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we've exchanged email he's just a great

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before we even get to his vast knowledge

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of the subject he's a great guy and

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here's the thing he was talking to us on

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his mobile phone

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and mobile phones in that part of

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arizona have problems

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and a lot of listeners said despite all

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the things we did to improve audio

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quality they couldn't understand him

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so this way he's sitting right next to

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chris not too close of course and

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we'll be able to hear him just perfect

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where they're talking about not talking

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about roswell and then about a third of

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the discussions over the past few days

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and we've covered a lot of topics

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cartoon strip character we should have

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named roswell

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i might work on that

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so it's going to be roswell the alien

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a little grey kind of guy and he's kind

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of like a bugs bunny type he's trying to

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get involved in different schemes and

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roswell the little alien you know

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somebody listen to this come out with

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the cartoon and they'll make millions

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from our idea well i used to have a

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comic strip called stranger than fiction

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well unfortunately now we're getting a

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lot of fiction that's another thing

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we could ever rescue the ufo field or

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whether the entire thing should be

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and we find a better way

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this way put up with this nonsense and

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think we're getting somewhere when all

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never ends but i think the

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one or two people i thought maybe had

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or i don't know if they were just in it

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for the buck i'd like to think they were

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sincere and they took the bucks because

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you have to pay your expenses but

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what do i know about such things

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i'm not going to touch that one yet

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you probably shouldn't i know there are

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movements by the way afoot now

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to see if there's a way to get a refund

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for the money they paid for the

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streaming of the mexico city event and

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that streaming i think you can get a

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refund just on the basis of the fact

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that a lot of people reported poor

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quality i think from the poor quality

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alone for getting the content

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the video quality and interruptions and

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things like that if you paid for that

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and the price i believe was fifteen

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dollars if you ordered up the

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pay-per-view early or twenty dollars if

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you paid that amount for it certainly

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you're entitled to a refund right you

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have a right to say no i'm not going to

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do it but people in mexico city who paid

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from 20 to 85

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should they get a refund by the way paul

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kimball has been mentioning that he's

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one of the roswell slide study group and

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we've had our differences with him but

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he's made the point people should get a

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refund if they want one in any case

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we'll figure this all out or maybe not

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in our next segment with ron regier

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and gene and chris you're in the

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extend your life

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neighbor what are you doing digging you

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had a heart attack last year

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oh i know i was told no more hard labor

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then why are you digging well i've been

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taking extendovite it's been approved to

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help my heart extendovite is that a new

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drug

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herbal combination made from garlic and

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cayenne herbal how can that help well

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of years and extendovite is doing the

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job for me does your doctor know about

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extendovite yeah my doctor knows and he

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said it seems to be working for you so

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with gene and christian the powercast we

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welcome back

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taking center stage or the corner of the

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mic however you want to put it

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ron regier welcome back ron thank you

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so i'm going to ask that question of you

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right now the thing we discussed in the

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first segment that you heard

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and that is

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why should anyone in their right minds

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anymore care a wit about roswell because

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it's uh probably the best documented

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event

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that's gone on in the last 50 years that

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i know of

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and

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there's been a lot of progress made in

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interviewing witnesses and

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but for instance we've got a lot of work

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done on reviewing the photographs

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probably or possibly the only

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photographs of what is purported to be

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real ufos

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and

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we can prove the air force has changed

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their story four times on this

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there was a lot of activity about

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if it was simply a weather balloon that

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just leaves me to scratch my head are

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flag officers

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seven or eight of them

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so dense that they did not know what

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they were looking at i don't think so so

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something happened

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that something may very well be one of

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the

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true ufo events of mankind

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and some of us are working very

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diligently and plodding along to

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determine what it was that really

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happened

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so i think it's worthy of study

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sore pterodactyls but

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but would you ascribe a specific level

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of importance to pterodactyls and

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roswell

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i was just making light of it because so

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many people now are so hung up on this

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my god it's like it's the first time

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ever anybody ever got buffalo or

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snookered if that's what really happened

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and i find it hard to believe that

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two people who i know and respect

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tom carey and don schmidt spent four

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years

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things but quite a bit of money i would

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imagine

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and then

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just gee whiz we forgot to use a a free

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program or a a very easy to find program

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to look at this i i just don't believe

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it so somebody crawls out of the

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woodwork at the last minute and makes a

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claim and instant instant fame and they

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didn't do squat

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so no i don't uh i i i think there's a

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lot more to this i uh

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i still think that don and tom

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did some really good work i'm going to

435
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withhold any statement on jaime massan

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because i don't know him that well i

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know of him

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i also know of don and tom and uh so far

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the

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if this is just a bad

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spot on their record it's the first one

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i'm aware of

443
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on the ufo field i i just think that

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they're getting a cheap cheap shot

445
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taken by other people

446
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well you know what i want to say this

447
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i have looked at the results of this

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scan

449
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and the results of this

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shall we say removing of the blurring

451
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and they have steps that you can take

452
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they have a video where you take a look

453
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at what they did exactly what software

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to use what settings and everything and

455
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i think anyone who follows those

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procedures will duplicate it

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absolutely not

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absolutely yes i i absolutely agree with

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you i did it

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i did it i've spent 98 bucks and bought

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their software

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i sent a copy of it to my associate neil

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morris in great britain

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the problem is

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that

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one they're either using a bogus scan or

467
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they're using uh scan off the internet

468
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because the only place they're going to

469
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find that is off the internet and what's

470
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that 300 dpi something like that

471
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72. 72 dpi so they got a 72 dpi scan and

472
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they're putting this d blur software on

473
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claiming to get a message

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i asked for and received a

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tif

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image

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from don

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and applied the same software using the

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same techniques and got crap

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let me ask you a question here how big

481
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is the tiff image oh gosh i don't know

482
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it's on my big program back at the on my

483
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other computer i i don't i didn't even

484
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look at it how big it was i'll tell you

485
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what so we don't argue back and forth

486
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here because i think we're going to

487
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agree to disagree you send me a copy of

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this image i don't have permission to

489
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get it from don and uh tom

490
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seriously so you're saying that this

491
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other one is a fake i'm saying what the

492
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other saying that the one that's been

493
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posted online at the roswell slide study

494
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group the one that frank warren is using

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all these people have a fake

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i believe it's a fake yes

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even pointing to the

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original

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museum where this exhibit has supposedly

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appeared

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okay now if we want to talk about the

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original museum they're claiming that

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that was at mesa verde national park

504
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mesa verde national park my wife just

505
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happened to be a ranger there and

506
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retired from mesa verdi she is on her

507
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way there as we speak driving her little

508
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car across the back country of america

509
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heading for mesa verde national park

510
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there she will talk with the people

511
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there and show them

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the image that i copied off of the

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screen

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because all i got was a plecard on his

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hiff

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and gonna show up and find out what

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happened now we do know

518
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from talking with mesa verde national

519
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park personnel that every mummy they had

520
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with the exception of one was buried

521
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with full ceremony in march of 2006

522
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they're buried in weather omesa and

523
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there were pueblo and elders there

524
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present at the time of burial conducting

525
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the ceremony the only one that was not

526
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buried was one that was named esther and

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esther came from

528
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durango and esther was returned to her

529
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people in durango colorado so there is

530
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no more money and there has not been a

531
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mummy available for anybody to see since

532
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at least 2006 maybe earlier so what

533
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we're looking at in mesa verde is the

534
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display cases and to see if any of the

535
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personnel there can recall that type of

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display case and maybe some artifact or

537
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something in the background that may be

538
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recognizable that nobody's really looked

539
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at before we're trying to establish a

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provenance of being at mesa verdi which

541
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we do not have right now all we have is

542
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one article the other thing that we're

543
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looking at is

544
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what is going on because the the

545
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museum shelves and all that were

546
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destroyed two years ago when mesa verde

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moved their museum from up the top of

548
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the park which is 20 miles inland down

549
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to the base of the park at the entrance

550
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so we can't go even look at the display

551
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cases to see if they're the same i just

552
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thought well i've got a connection i'll

553
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see what i can find out so i don't

554
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belabor this point until it becomes

555
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painful we do have this statement from

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donald r schmidt where he says quote i

557
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:34,240
now realize that the image in the slides

558
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:36,960
is a mummy as specified

559
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:39,919
by the display placard so that is the

560
00:21:44,549 --> 00:21:42,880
end of the roswell slides and so it's

561
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,559
time to shut it down i appreciate

562
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:46,640
everyone's concern whether they have the

563
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:48,799
high resolution images or the low

564
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:52,080
resolution images but it's time to move

565
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:54,400
on there's a lot more to talk about

566
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:56,480
about roswell and other issues in the

567
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:58,720
ufo field well for clarification i want

568
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:00,080
to make one thing real clear so

569
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:02,159
everybody knows where i'm coming from on

570
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:05,600
this i got the same image that the other

571
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:08,000
mummified body and i use that's d blur

572
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:10,159
software on their their image and i got

573
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:12,400
the same results they did but using the

574
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:14,559
same steps on the tiff image that i got

575
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:16,240
from don and tom i did not get those

576
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:19,039
results i appreciate you being an honest

577
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:21,679
broker that you're saying that you try

578
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:24,000
to test it for yourself and that the

579
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:26,640
tiff image you got from the crew who ran

580
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:29,120
this roswell slides episode

581
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:31,520
that one you couldn't make it happen but

582
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:33,600
with the ones that were provided by the

583
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:36,080
roswell slide study group you did ron

584
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reguer is with gina and chris you're in

585
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hi this is don ecker and you are tuned

683
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in to the paracast let me tell you what

684
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:09,360
you're gonna hear stuff here that you

685
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:12,720
probably won't hear anywhere else hear

686
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:15,200
that george snorri

687
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:16,799
all right let's set aside roswell's

688
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:18,159
slides i think we've all heard enough

689
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:21,360
about it for the next 10 years the next

690
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:23,279
episode of after the power cast will

691
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:25,279
feature kurt collins of roswell slide

692
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:26,720
study group will get his point of view

693
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:29,200
about it let's move on set this aside

694
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:31,279
completely assume for the moment

695
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:33,679
that the so-called roswell slides or the

696
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,600
not roswell slides as

697
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:37,919
kevin randle refers to them do not exist

698
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:39,760
ron regier okay

699
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:41,919
you're writing a book about roswell

700
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:44,000
another damn book about roswell is the

701
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:45,600
working title

702
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:48,159
why do we need another damn book about

703
00:27:52,390 --> 00:27:49,760
roswell there have been

704
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,400
quite a few zillions of articles

705
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:54,960
and lots of coverage over the years well

706
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,279
what we're really writing about in

707
00:28:02,149 --> 00:27:59,520
pretty good detail is the analysis

708
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:02,159
several of us did on the photographs

709
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:03,520
taken in

710
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:05,679
general raymie's office

711
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:09,039
of what was purported to be a captured

712
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,840
ufo we did quite a bit of analysis on

713
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:13,679
those photographs and still continuing

714
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:16,960
it and so i'm documenting that neil neil

715
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:19,279
morris my co-author in great britain and

716
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:21,919
i are documenting this into

717
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,039
uh this book so that people can see

718
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:27,440
uh really what was there because i think

719
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:30,320
most people looked at a very very poor

720
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:34,399
copy or reproduction in bill morris book

721
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,279
and

722
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:37,360
immediately bought the air force story

723
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:40,240
that oh it's a crashed weather balloon

724
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,000
you know we know it's not a balloon so

725
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:44,159
it must be something else but general

726
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:47,760
raymie said it was a weather gadget and

727
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:50,159
a raywin device and

728
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:51,120
so we've

729
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:52,880
looked at it and uh

730
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,840
decided we'd investigate what how we got

731
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,080
started was

732
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,720
general raymie's widow

733
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:02,480
contacted

734
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:05,200
george filer of filer's files

735
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:08,000
and she was quite upset because

736
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:10,720
her sons her children had heard that

737
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,279
their father was a liar and she wanted

738
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,120
to know if there was

739
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:17,520
anything in the photographs that would

740
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,640
vindicate her husband george knew that

741
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,880
james bond johnson had made the

742
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:25,120
photographs and knew how to get in touch

743
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:26,720
with him so

744
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:29,600
he contacted bond as he preferred to be

745
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,799
called and then bond called me because

746
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:34,320
he said i was the only one that he knew

747
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,559
that could look at this stuff so then we

748
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:38,320
started looking at the photographs and

749
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,039
what we found uh sort of contradicts

750
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,360
about everything that uh most people

751
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:45,120
have heard about roswell well the

752
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:47,440
picture that most of us have seen

753
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:49,760
shows somebody with what appears to be

754
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:51,760
the remains of a balloon

755
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,159
okay is that what we're talking about

756
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,919
yeah there was a total of seven

757
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,600
photographs taken

758
00:30:01,750 --> 00:29:59,679
two of them with general

759
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:01,760
raymie by himself alone

760
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,399
two of them with general raymie and his

761
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:06,480
aide colonel dubose

762
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:08,640
two with major marcel

763
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:11,760
and one with worn off serving newton

764
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,279
and all shows similar stuff

765
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:17,520
but it's um

766
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:19,840
it's not not a weather balloon the air

767
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,679
force's first story was that they

768
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:23,360
captured a flying disc that was their

769
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,240
very first story lieutenant haught wrote

770
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:28,080
a press release

771
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:30,640
it was approved by his officers and sent

772
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:32,799
it out to the world and it got as far as

773
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:34,320
the radio station and they stopped

774
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:35,600
broadcast

775
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:38,720
so their next story was that the

776
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:41,039
roswell balloon was really nothing but a

777
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:42,960
weather gadget

778
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:45,200
and then the next story was that it was

779
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,799
a highly secret

780
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:48,080
mogul

781
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:51,120
balloon train and then the final story

782
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:52,240
was

783
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:56,399
and

784
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,840
my thing is i don't know what it was

785
00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:00,080
because i've never to my knowledge seen

786
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:01,840
anything that anybody could say this is

787
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:04,159
a crashed ufo so i can't say that's ufo

788
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:05,840
debris but i can tell you it's not what

789
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,679
the government said it was

790
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:09,679
how do you know that i mean let's uh

791
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:11,200
let's break it down

792
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:12,399
okay

793
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:14,480
we'll start by

794
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,200
the what what was a mogul first of all

795
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,600
the government claimed

796
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,360
right here look i'll hold this up to the

797
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:24,000
microphone so you can see it

798
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:25,840
the air force claims that what they

799
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:27,360
found was

800
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:28,960
flight 4

801
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,399
launched on june 4th the 1947 by the new

802
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:34,559
york university balloon group

803
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:36,399
however in the same

804
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,799
three inch thick tome that's not page

805
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,240
numbered by the way which makes it

806
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,399
interesting to find stuff

807
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:44,799
uh we see tables where

808
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:47,120
there is no flight for

809
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,080
they go one three five

810
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:52,960
uh but if we if we buy the flight for

811
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:55,200
which doesn't exist

812
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,039
and which even their own expert ap carry

813
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,919
never designated flight four uh he never

814
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:03,600
did he said there's no flight today

815
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:05,760
because of winds

816
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:08,000
but even if we buy that

817
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:09,600
the next thing they're telling us is

818
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:13,200
this this debris that we see here

819
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:17,360
looks very much like and is an ml 307c

820
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:18,720
which is a

821
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:22,000
radar reflector a radar reflector is

822
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:24,799
also known as a corner reflector

823
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:28,080
it's got uh reflective sides of their

824
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:30,159
aluminum reflects radar otherwise they

825
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:31,679
wouldn't be able to spot airplanes with

826
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:32,480
it

827
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,240
then whatever radar impinge signal

828
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:42,240
impinges upon it will be reflected

829
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:44,240
straight back

830
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:46,720
and so it's ostensibly had three of

831
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,080
these

832
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:50,640
now if we look at the amount of debris

833
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:52,320
and they get three of these radar

834
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:54,880
reflectors there's a total of 54 square

835
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:58,399
feet of foil that they would have 18 per

836
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:01,360
reflector times 3 is 54.

837
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:03,279
so we look at that

838
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:06,880
amount of radar reflector debris

839
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,919
and

840
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:08,960
we

841
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:10,640
put it out in the

842
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,279
debris field if you will spread it out

843
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:15,440
disperse it whatever your term you feel

844
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:17,039
comfortable with

845
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:18,720
because this is crashed across the

846
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:22,000
desert and the rancher picked it up

847
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:25,200
then we find that uh well if we

848
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,080
disperse it evenly

849
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:30,720
and use the smallest size by any of the

850
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:33,519
witnesses which was 200 yards across

851
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:36,000
you get one piece in every 15 by 15 foot

852
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:37,760
square that piece being of the size of a

853
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,679
three by five card

854
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:42,000
now that's about the size of most folks

855
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:44,960
living room so i doubt if one piece

856
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:46,799
in the middle of the living room

857
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:48,159
and then another piece in the middle of

858
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,440
the kitchen and another piece in the

859
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:51,360
middle of the bedroom

860
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:52,880
would be enough to scare a flock of

861
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,880
sheep so they wouldn't go for water but

862
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:56,399
that's what happened that's what they

863
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:57,840
want us to believe

864
00:34:02,310 --> 00:33:59,919
so there's just not enough foil besides

865
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:02,320
that that assumes uniform displacement

866
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:05,360
or disbursement and the photographs

867
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:07,760
very plainly show what appears to be

868
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:12,000
large pieces and if we have large pieces

869
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:14,320
then that leaves a lot less to be throat

870
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:16,159
strewn about in the field to scare the

871
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:17,520
sheep

872
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:19,040
so

873
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:21,040
oh and then one little thing that we

874
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,720
should make mention of is the air force

875
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:26,560
weren't using radar reflectors and they

876
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:28,560
had started using radio sounds that's in

877
00:34:32,829 --> 00:34:29,919
their own report

878
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:32,839
i could read it to you if you want but

879
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:36,000
uh they just uh didn't even use radar

880
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:37,440
reflectors in

881
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:40,639
so it's it's it makes their whole story

882
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,280
fall apart with their own words so

883
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:45,440
that's that's the first thing

884
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:46,879
now one thing of course that always

885
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:49,839
bothers me about this is i would think

886
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:51,280
a rancher

887
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:53,599
would be used to

888
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:56,240
what's happening out there in the desert

889
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:58,400
and if a balloon came crashing down it

890
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:00,400
wouldn't surprise them in the least

891
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:03,280
absolutely true as a matter of fact in

892
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:04,880
their logs they make mention of a

893
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:07,680
rancher by the name of sid west

894
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,920
who found one called them and they went

895
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,200
picked up

896
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:13,440
not only that they had every piece

897
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:14,720
labeled

898
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:18,640
with reward signs and dangerous this guy

899
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:21,359
contains kerosene don't open this uh

900
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:22,880
labels all over

901
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,560
when my wife was about five or six she's

902
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:29,119
not too sure but she's a little bit

903
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,480
older than that now

904
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:32,160
uh she found a weather balloon out in

905
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:33,680
the farm where she was working she

906
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,359
immediately knew it was a balloon and it

907
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:37,920
had tags on it and she took them to her

908
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:39,839
dad and they

909
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,119
turned them in

910
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,280
so if a six-year-old can figure out what

911
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:45,599
it is i'm pretty sure a rancher who's

912
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,960
been

913
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,960
following these launches for some times

914
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:50,400
also knows it

915
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:51,839
yeah you're right

916
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:54,000
so maybe there's the

917
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,560
implication here that the people

918
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:58,800
who claimed it had to be a flying disc

919
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:00,320
were idiots

920
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:02,720
it was obviously a balloon or a vice

921
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,440
versa that they would be smart enough to

922
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:07,680
realize it's a balloon and we wouldn't

923
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:09,920
have this brouhaha that has continued

924
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:14,079
for what 65 or 67 years now i forget

925
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:15,839
because i wasn't around when it first

926
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,079
came down but pretty close we don't want

927
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:19,920
to get into age things

928
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:22,320
ron regair is here to

929
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,320
sort things out from the early days of

930
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,720
roswell and why we should still bother

931
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:28,480
exploring that case

932
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:31,520
and i'm aware that anytime the roswell

933
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:33,920
case comes up it's kind of a close call

934
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:36,000
whether we should bother or whether we

935
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:38,079
should just give it up and move on to

936
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:39,520
something else

937
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:41,440
but it's roswell with gina and chris

938
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:50,470
independently leading the way for the

939
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nation compelling talk for every

940
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952
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[Music]

1037
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:06,160
this is jerome clark author of the ufo

1038
00:41:10,660 --> 00:41:08,240
encyclopedia in other books you're

1039
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listening to the peercast

1040
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:20,160
[Music]

1041
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:21,040
so

1042
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:23,599
this may not be our last time talking

1043
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,119
about roswell

1044
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:27,440
ron regaire is here

1045
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:29,520
and the ultimate question of course

1046
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:31,839
people ask about roswell if a ufo

1047
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,400
crashed where is it if there were bodies

1048
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:37,200
where are they and how come the true

1049
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:39,839
location hasn't really leaked out has it

1050
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:43,119
uh we confined our analysis to the

1051
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:45,280
photographs and

1052
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,240
what we could learn from them that

1053
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:50,480
we try not to enter into speculation

1054
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:51,359
about

1055
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:52,880
other things

1056
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:54,079
because there's enough in these

1057
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:56,720
photographs to keep keep us busy for a

1058
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:59,119
while and we're reasonably intelligent

1059
00:42:01,430 --> 00:42:00,160
adults

1060
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:01,440
and

1061
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,920
so we we've just you know the the bodies

1062
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:05,760
is interesting there were witnesses that

1063
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,599
talked to those but there's nothing

1064
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:09,280
about those

1065
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:10,960
in the photographs

1066
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:13,200
we can talk about that if you prefer but

1067
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:15,280
i would like to defer to the what we

1068
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:16,560
found in the photographs that's

1069
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:19,200
something that anybody and everybody we

1070
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:20,960
invite to look

1071
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:23,440
uh anybody can order copies of these

1072
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:26,079
from the university of texas arlington

1073
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:27,440
library

1074
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,680
get them do their own analysis take

1075
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,680
their own look at it see what they find

1076
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:33,440
we've been encouraging this for almost

1077
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:35,920
20 years now ron has these incredibly

1078
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:38,640
high res 20 by 16

1079
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:42,160
inch uh black and white prints that are

1080
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,520
that are really impressive actually

1081
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:45,760
they're they're huge um obviously it was

1082
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:48,160
um these were taken off the original

1083
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:50,079
negatives and um

1084
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:52,400
these are you know first generation

1085
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:53,760
uh prints

1086
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:56,000
and um there's details in there that ron

1087
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:57,520
has discovered that we'll talk about

1088
00:43:02,069 --> 00:42:59,359
that don't conform

1089
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,079
in any way to uh some sort of balloon

1090
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:04,960
train or mogul uh balloon or or any of

1091
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:06,880
these types of

1092
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:09,680
plausible deniability uh scenarios come

1093
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,440
up by with by the

1094
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:13,680
by the government and um

1095
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:15,359
a couple of things that i want to

1096
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,440
discuss uh with ron

1097
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:20,160
are some of the findings that he made

1098
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,079
not only about the the photographs in

1099
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:25,200
general and the debris but also the memo

1100
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,480
that's in

1101
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:28,640
general remy's hand which

1102
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:31,040
a similar process to the roswell slides

1103
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:34,160
de-blurring blowing up trying to

1104
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:37,200
pull out actual language and words

1105
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:38,400
there's some interesting things that

1106
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:41,200
have been um you know

1107
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:43,040
sort of gleaned from from this uh

1108
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:44,560
process and uh

1109
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:47,280
and that and uh and also the fact that

1110
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:50,960
uh a lost version or a lost copy of one

1111
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:53,440
of the photographs uh was recently

1112
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,200
discovered in the beckman archives that

1113
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:57,520
uh that indicates some

1114
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:00,160
hanky-panky may have taken place

1115
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:03,520
uh in the process of of doctoring the

1116
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,960
the photographs that were actually

1117
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,400
released to the press

1118
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:08,640
um that there are some differences uh

1119
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:11,119
between the lost photograph

1120
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,640
uh that it

1121
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,319
ended up in the beckman archive versus

1122
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:16,240
the the famous shots that everyone is

1123
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:17,920
familiar with uh who's familiar with the

1124
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:19,760
case so we have some things to talk

1125
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,800
about and

1126
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:22,240
and then we can get into some other

1127
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:23,760
areas too that

1128
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:26,240
that uh you know being someone that has

1129
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:28,720
a a really bad

1130
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,839
allergy to the roswell subject um you

1131
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:33,680
know it's it's

1132
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,720
you know i i i'm itching i'm scratching

1133
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:38,319
i'm fidgeting here

1134
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:40,160
but i think it's important for even me

1135
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:42,880
to uh to have a listen to some of the

1136
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:44,640
the real in-depth uh research and

1137
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:47,359
analysis has been done by ron and others

1138
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:50,560
let's get back to those photos again so

1139
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,119
your contention ron is these photos do

1140
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:55,440
not show a balloon they show something

1141
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:58,240
else correct okay how do we know that

1142
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:59,599
looking at the photos that have been

1143
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,599
published i obviously heard the

1144
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:03,359
suggestion here they were altered from

1145
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:05,680
the originals oh one one that was

1146
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:07,440
altered um

1147
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:10,240
what happened was bond took

1148
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,400
turns out he took four photos although

1149
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,880
most of the time he's attributed to

1150
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:17,040
taking six photographs

1151
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,240
there were seven photographs totaled and

1152
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:22,240
uh bond took four

1153
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:24,880
somebody else took two and then somebody

1154
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:27,119
else took the last one of uh warren

1155
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:28,480
officer irving

1156
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:29,760
newton so

1157
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:33,359
so in looking at those photographs we we

1158
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:35,200
try to figure out what's what's in them

1159
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:36,480
and

1160
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,280
yeah there may be part of a uh

1161
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:41,760
raw one device in it

1162
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:44,319
but there was nothing on a raw one

1163
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,720
device that was looks like what we call

1164
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:48,319
the chrome strip

1165
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:51,440
which is a twisted piece of metal

1166
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,079
with one end that's

1167
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:56,880
about three times the thickness of the

1168
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:58,640
other end a strip

1169
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:02,160
and there's nothing in the photos that

1170
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:05,040
would are in the uh mogul equipment that

1171
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:06,640
would uh

1172
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:07,520
be

1173
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,640
let's say a hollow struts and we find

1174
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:12,960
quite a few hollow struts in there that

1175
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,960
are supposed to be solid little pieces

1176
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:16,240
of balsa

1177
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:17,680
because the air force provides us with

1178
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:19,839
the blueprint of what this raw one radar

1179
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:22,319
reflector was supposed to look like

1180
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:24,560
the pieces that they call for are not

1181
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:25,760
there

1182
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:27,680
and if you want is people who want to

1183
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:29,359
take the time to

1184
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:32,319
look at them and measure them and

1185
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:34,319
find out what's in there can can do that

1186
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,440
it's a

1187
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:37,200
painstaking job but the photographs are

1188
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:40,079
there for anybody to to

1189
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:42,079
sit there and figure out what they are

1190
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,480
and we've done that and we're going to

1191
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:46,079
present our results

1192
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:48,640
but uh there's uh what looks like be a

1193
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,359
switch cover i showed it to chris and uh

1194
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:53,280
by the way i showed six of these

1195
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:55,839
photographs of puzzling

1196
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:57,119
items

1197
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,640
i sent them to professor moore in 2000

1198
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:03,119
1997.

1199
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:06,079
who's he professor moore was supposedly

1200
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:07,520
the guy that was in charge of the

1201
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:08,880
launches

1202
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,440
although he wasn't there at the time

1203
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:13,200
that they launched the

1204
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:16,560
uh flight for which is the one that

1205
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:19,200
they claim is the one that uh we see in

1206
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:21,520
the roswell debris photos

1207
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,160
and professor moore said that uh it

1208
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:26,880
didn't look like anything he'd seen

1209
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:29,040
and so here we have professor moore

1210
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:31,520
looking at stuff that supposedly he was

1211
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:34,480
the resident expert on and none of the

1212
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:37,040
images in those six photographs are

1213
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:39,119
anything that he felt was associated

1214
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:41,119
with any mogul balloon launch

1215
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:42,800
so that to me is a

1216
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:45,599
compelling statement

1217
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:47,119
but um

1218
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:52,710
well i'm sorry you haven't run out of

1219
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:55,599
material go ahead please okay

1220
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:58,160
that turns out that the in what many

1221
00:48:01,670 --> 00:48:00,319
people associate with being the balloon

1222
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:01,680
envelope

1223
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:04,319
there's what appears to be a bead of

1224
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:06,160
metal that's rolled down and left the

1225
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:07,599
trail there's no

1226
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:10,160
nothing there that's going to cause heat

1227
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:11,440
to melt

1228
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:12,319
metal

1229
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:14,000
that's going to roll down the side of

1230
00:48:18,550 --> 00:48:14,880
this

1231
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,560
either neoprene or polyethylene balloon

1232
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:21,200
and so we've got um

1233
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:23,119
anomaly there we've got

1234
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:26,400
what appears to be a plug fastener

1235
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:28,800
the type that we use on very common

1236
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,000
today

1237
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:32,880
there's none of that on a mogul

1238
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:35,040
there was supposed to be over 900 feet

1239
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:36,720
of string

1240
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:39,200
now we're either to believe that captain

1241
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,319
cavett

1242
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,880
and major marcel

1243
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,640
decided oh we don't want to show the

1244
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:46,960
string so we'll take all this string off

1245
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:49,119
and peel it all off of these things and

1246
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:50,720
pull it out and

1247
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:52,559
not take that in and not show it and

1248
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:54,160
we'll we'll pull a fast one on the

1249
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:55,200
general

1250
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:56,640
or there wasn't any string there to

1251
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:58,240
begin with

1252
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,640
now the the radar target was held

1253
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:03,040
together by string like much like a box

1254
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,160
kite

1255
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:06,000
each one of the balloons was connected

1256
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:08,640
with string and every piece of equipment

1257
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:10,880
was connected with string yet there's

1258
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:12,800
not one inches string found on any of

1259
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:14,319
the photographs

1260
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,119
so either there was something other than

1261
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,440
one of these balloon trains or somebody

1262
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,520
very assiduously

1263
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:23,599
took the string all out

1264
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:25,599
and that makes no sense either you would

1265
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,000
think that if they were trying to uh

1266
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:30,480
you know sort of debunk the whole idea

1267
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:33,119
of a crash saucer being captured

1268
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:33,920
uh

1269
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:36,079
by the air force or by the army air

1270
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:37,200
force you would think that they would

1271
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:38,400
leave in

1272
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:40,960
any sort of of evidence that would

1273
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,359
support the theory that it was a balloon

1274
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:45,599
uh train or or some sort of uh weather

1275
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:46,720
balloon

1276
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:47,839
uh

1277
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:51,040
of the

1278
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:53,119
smoking gun bits of evidence that would

1279
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:54,000
uh

1280
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:55,839
lend credence to the

1281
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:58,400
you know to their particular uh

1282
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:01,040
version of what was found of the story

1283
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:02,559
it doesn't make sense gene you were

1284
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:04,400
saying ron

1285
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:05,520
oh

1286
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:07,520
i think he's talking more about what you

1287
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,440
had to say than me

1288
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:11,359
um where do you want to go from here you

1289
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:12,960
want to go from professor moore's

1290
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:15,119
recollection that's what was on the tape

1291
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:17,359
you know let's do that let's try to put

1292
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,720
back together

1293
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:19,920
exactly

1294
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:21,839
what went on here

1295
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:23,280
what we could

1296
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:26,480
confirm as much as possible and then

1297
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:27,920
focus there

1298
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:30,079
on what that evidence does and where we

1299
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:32,319
can take it now i should point out we

1300
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:33,760
only have about a minute left with this

1301
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:34,720
segment

1302
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:36,559
so this may be a few things and then

1303
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:38,240
we'll get to more questions in our next

1304
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:39,520
segment

1305
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:41,680
okay i guess the the biggest thing is

1306
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:44,400
the top we we had to work and develop a

1307
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:46,720
fairly accurate timeline to make sense

1308
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:49,280
of all this stuff and so when in doing

1309
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:51,680
so we found out that you know some of

1310
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:54,160
the pieces just don't fit and therefore

1311
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:57,440
they might be confabulations and some of

1312
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,880
the pieces

1313
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,640
really started to make sense when they

1314
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:02,640
were in a different place

1315
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,119
so the first thing we did was try to

1316
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:07,920
establish a good timeline so that's

1317
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:10,160
probably close to the minute and we'll

1318
00:51:15,309 --> 00:51:11,440
chat later

1319
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:15,319
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welcome back to the paracast the gold

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and now

1377
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here's gene steinberg

1378
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:14,549
so we returned to 1947

1379
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:16,800
the early days of roswell

1380
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:18,160
pointing out

1381
00:54:21,990 --> 00:54:19,440
what happened

1382
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:22,000
and this supposed cover-up now i'm just

1383
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:24,400
going to segue a bit to the other

1384
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:26,880
opinions which is maybe

1385
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:28,960
what crash at roswell was maybe a test

1386
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,680
aircraft of some kind which is also why

1387
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:33,359
it might have been

1388
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:36,160
deflected by secrecy and cover-up made

1389
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:37,280
out of something that looks like

1390
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:38,559
aluminum foil

1391
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,480
i kind of doubt that one gene

1392
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:42,319
that we do know that they were launching

1393
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:45,760
flights out of white sands missile range

1394
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:48,480
v2 flights that had monkeys in them

1395
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:50,640
we can turn to what the air force said

1396
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:53,680
in their own uh let me turn it over here

1397
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:56,400
it's kind of heavy their own tome they

1398
00:55:00,790 --> 00:54:58,000
offered

1399
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:00,800
in their tome various alternative

1400
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:03,280
answers to what this could have been

1401
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:08,000
and one of their answers was a v2 rocket

1402
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:10,000
a crashed airplane

1403
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:12,079
nuclear event

1404
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,040
it was not here's right here on page 19

1405
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:17,280
of the introduction it was not what the

1406
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:19,599
roswell event was not

1407
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:22,079
and it was not an airplane crash

1408
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:24,160
it was not a missile crash

1409
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:26,960
it was not a nuclear accident it was not

1410
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:28,640
according to them an extraterrestrial

1411
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:29,680
craft

1412
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:31,760
then they say what it was and they go

1413
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:33,280
into

1414
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,559
20 years of balloon launches so

1415
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:38,000
but so they they're pretty well

1416
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:41,520
confirmed it's a balloon launch flight 4

1417
00:55:47,309 --> 00:55:44,240
from june 4th 1947

1418
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:47,319
and then they provide a list of june

1419
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:49,920
1947 the log it says

1420
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:52,000
this is written by their expert who they

1421
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:54,720
used to provide their testimony i'll

1422
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:57,359
quote out to tularosa range and fired

1423
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:01,680
charges between 0 0 and 0 6 this am

1424
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:03,680
no balloon flights again on account of

1425
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:04,880
clouds

1426
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:07,680
and that was their june 4th wednesday

1427
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:11,119
entry two and a half inches before that

1428
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:13,599
they said it was flight four launched on

1429
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:16,720
june 4th 1947 so they're contradictory

1430
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:18,240
within their own book

1431
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:20,319
so which one do you believe

1432
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:21,839
i don't believe i don't believe either

1433
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,599
one of them

1434
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:25,599
so it's like when you ask somebody how

1435
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:27,280
do i get to a place

1436
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:29,520
he points his finger in opposite

1437
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:31,680
directions and he said that away

1438
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:34,000
well it's it's more like um

1439
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:36,079
when they ask

1440
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:38,799
i'm not remember the the catcher for the

1441
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:41,920
new york yankees yogi berry yogi berra

1442
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:43,520
when you come to the fork in the road

1443
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:50,069
the so what we've got is we've got a

1444
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:51,280
book of

1445
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:53,440
fact versus fiction and they provided

1446
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:55,760
the fiction so it's up to us to find the

1447
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:57,839
facts and that's what we're trying to do

1448
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:58,880
and

1449
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:01,680
what we can rely on is there's a lot of

1450
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:04,160
good information that they did not fly

1451
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:06,079
radar reflectors on those launches they

1452
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:07,599
told us they didn't

1453
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:10,240
they flew radio suns which is a

1454
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:11,760
transponder

1455
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:13,839
and track them by radio as opposed to

1456
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:14,880
radar

1457
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,520
we find out that there was no flight

1458
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:19,520
four so they didn't even launch one that

1459
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,559
day

1460
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,400
we find out

1461
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:24,240
that professor moore

1462
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:26,319
was not there when they launched it so

1463
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,240
he couldn't have gone and looked and

1464
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,720
known what kind of tape there was but it

1465
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:32,640
doesn't matter anyway

1466
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:33,760
because

1467
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:35,440
professor moore

1468
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:36,960
told the air force

1469
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:39,280
they were using leftover tape from a toy

1470
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:42,319
factory that had pinkish purple abstract

1471
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:44,960
flower-like designs and that's the story

1472
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:47,119
most people know but he told jesse

1473
00:57:52,789 --> 00:57:49,680
marcel jr the tape was decorated with

1474
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:52,799
flowers and berries in a christmas motif

1475
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,880
it's a little bit different

1476
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:56,960
and then he told nbc

1477
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:59,839
tv special that they were mathematical

1478
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:01,920
symbols and greek letters

1479
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:04,720
so i guess the story depends on who

1480
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:06,079
you're talking to who you want to

1481
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:07,520
believe

1482
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:10,160
by the way we couldn't see any symbols

1483
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:12,480
or anything on that as on anything that

1484
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:14,559
the people attributed to

1485
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,079
the edge tape

1486
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:18,480
but we did find a lot of symbols

1487
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:19,520
interesting

1488
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:21,119
symbols at that

1489
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:23,200
all right let's talk about the symbols

1490
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:24,079
okay

1491
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:26,319
the first symbol we found was uh looks

1492
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:28,160
to be a fishhook

1493
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:31,119
and that was inside of an i-beam and i

1494
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:33,280
showed that to chris this morning

1495
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:35,200
did you see a symbol inside there chris

1496
00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:37,680
yeah it didn't conform to any of the

1497
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:40,240
purported types of symbols that were

1498
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:43,599
supposedly found on the tape a fish hook

1499
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:45,359
doesn't conform to any

1500
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:46,880
greek letter

1501
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:49,599
or christmas tree type

1502
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:51,359
christmas motif

1503
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:53,680
or you know possibly an abstract symbol

1504
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:54,400
but

1505
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:57,440
it it it did look rather peculiar uh it

1506
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:58,799
didn't conform to something that you

1507
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:00,960
would expect to see on a balloon let's

1508
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:03,359
put it that way yeah and i don't know

1509
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:04,960
what alien writing looks like i don't

1510
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:06,880
even know if this is but there are

1511
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:09,119
definite symbols there's one we call the

1512
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:12,480
back-to-back j that's very prominent

1513
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:14,319
on this debris

1514
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:17,200
there's a symbol that looks like an m as

1515
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:19,920
in mary there is a symbol that looks

1516
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:21,440
like uh

1517
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:24,079
i was sort of like an oblate spheroid as

1518
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:26,319
people most of those know that as a

1519
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:27,599
football shape

1520
00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:29,200
so there's there's quite a few symbols

1521
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:31,359
there there's uh and those are all

1522
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,040
people things that anybody can see by

1523
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:35,520
the way just for clarity so

1524
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:37,680
you don't have to buy any special

1525
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:39,040
software

1526
00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:41,599
d blur or anything like that to look at

1527
00:59:44,829 --> 00:59:43,760
these all we did

1528
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:44,839
was

1529
00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:46,799
contrast

1530
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:48,319
enlargement

1531
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:50,640
by scanning and then just as anybody can

1532
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:52,480
do grab the corner of the scanned image

1533
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:54,079
and drag it across the screen and make

1534
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:55,440
it bigger

1535
01:00:01,990 --> 00:59:58,640
contrast brightness that's it

1536
01:00:05,270 --> 01:00:02,000
no special software no razzmatazz no

1537
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:05,280
photoshop no hanky panky no hanky or no

1538
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:07,599
pinky and no photos i knew them well i

1539
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:10,240
met them at school great yes and so

1540
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:12,400
everything we did

1541
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:16,319
anybody that has the simplest pc can do

1542
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:19,119
in the comfort of their own home

1543
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:21,359
it's just disturbing that nobody's

1544
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:24,319
really cared to look at them

1545
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:25,520
yeah so

1546
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:29,280
we've got uh quite a few symbols um

1547
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:31,200
and that was

1548
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:33,280
to me fairly conclusive there was

1549
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:34,960
something in there

1550
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:36,400
that was

1551
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:39,760
the first thing we found was symbols on

1552
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:42,799
an i-beam the very first day we looked

1553
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:44,880
we got the photographs we opened up the

1554
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:46,400
package from the university of texas

1555
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:47,599
arlington

1556
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:49,599
and that was the very first thing we saw

1557
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:52,319
was that fish that i showed chris

1558
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:57,510
yeah let's look at the focus here though

1559
01:01:02,230 --> 01:00:59,920
of these photos okay one of them was

1560
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:02,240
kind of we could only really really get

1561
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:04,960
sharp focus on one of the photos

1562
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:07,440
one of the photos just uh

1563
01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:11,200
depth of focus was pretty well shot

1564
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:14,720
unusable for any detailed analysis

1565
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:16,319
some of them the

1566
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:18,720
area of sharp focus was very small

1567
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:20,079
there's only one

1568
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:22,720
one photograph of all seven that was

1569
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:23,520
found

1570
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:25,440
that was needle sharp all the way

1571
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:27,119
through and

1572
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:29,760
uh well and then the batman photo was

1573
01:01:33,750 --> 01:01:31,680
pretty good and

1574
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:33,760
it could be because

1575
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:36,720
bond when he took the photos he was on a

1576
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:38,799
timeline crush

1577
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:41,359
now most people now don't realize the

1578
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:43,680
chaos that was

1579
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:47,440
going on back in the 1940s daylight

1580
01:01:53,829 --> 01:01:50,880
savings time was not uniform

1581
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:53,839
and uh we live in arizona and

1582
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:56,640
if if you've ever gone from uh

1583
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:59,359
state property to the res

1584
01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:01,359
you'll see what you'll understand some

1585
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:03,119
of the confusion because

1586
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:06,400
the navajo res for example they always

1587
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:08,880
follow the federal law and they go on

1588
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:10,640
daylight savings time even though

1589
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:11,680
they're in the middle of the state

1590
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:13,680
arizona

1591
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:16,400
time

1592
01:02:23,589 --> 01:02:20,160
in 1947 there was a patchwork

1593
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:23,599
of time zones there was a patchwork of

1594
01:02:27,030 --> 01:02:24,880
towns

1595
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:27,040
in the same county that some did and

1596
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:29,839
some did not go on daylight savings time

1597
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:33,599
so part of the criticality of getting

1598
01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:34,480
these

1599
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:36,799
figuring all this out

1600
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:38,240
was to determine

1601
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:40,240
what was going on when

1602
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:42,960
and one of the ways we did that

1603
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:44,720
was with the

1604
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:45,920
ap

1605
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:48,480
they used universal time or local time

1606
01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:51,119
from the ap office and so we did that

1607
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:53,200
and found out that

1608
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:54,960
we could pretty well tell when these

1609
01:02:59,430 --> 01:02:56,880
photos were sent out and that's we found

1610
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:59,440
out the batman photograph

1611
01:03:02,710 --> 01:03:01,200
was sent out to

1612
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:02,720
new york

1613
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:05,520
and it didn't make it in time to make

1614
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:07,839
the evening edition of the paper so it

1615
01:03:11,589 --> 01:03:09,520
was never published

1616
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:11,599
on this weekend's episode of after the

1617
01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:13,359
power cast chris and i will be talking

1618
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:15,599
to curtis collins

1619
01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:18,880
kurt is part of the roswell slides

1620
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:21,599
study group so he'll tell you about that

1621
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:24,400
and we'll go into slide gate in more

1622
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:27,200
detail and see what all this means to

1623
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:30,079
the ufo field and as far as i'm

1624
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:32,160
concerned it ain't pretty

1625
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:34,960
let's go into more of this detail about

1626
01:03:38,309 --> 01:03:36,480
these photos and

1627
01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:38,319
the sourcing and where they went and

1628
01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:40,559
everything with ron regard joining gene

1629
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:49,750
you've heard them on alex jones you've

1630
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:52,400
seen them on ancient aliens now come see

1631
01:03:58,309 --> 01:03:55,760
them live at contact in the desert 2015

1632
01:04:00,390 --> 01:03:58,319
in joshua tree this may experience four

1633
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1634
01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:02,720
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1635
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1636
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:06,960
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1637
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:09,359
contact experiences ufo sightings and

1638
01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:11,440
more meet chariots of the gods author

1639
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:13,680
eric von dalicon ancient aliens host

1640
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:15,520
giorgio a socialist new york times

1641
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:17,520
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1642
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:19,920
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1643
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:21,839
astronauts edgar mitchell and story

1644
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:24,000
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1645
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:26,240
molten howe author jim mars and many of

1646
01:04:30,069 --> 01:04:28,000
the world's most respected researchers

1647
01:04:32,309 --> 01:04:30,079
and scientists exploring answers to one

1648
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:32,319
of the greatest questions of all time

1649
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:34,400
more speakers more panels more things to

1650
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:36,720
do join us at the joshua tree retreat

1651
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:38,400
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1652
01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:40,559
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1653
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1654
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go to contact in the desert dot com that

1655
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:48,319
is contact in the desert dot com

1656
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:50,559
hi john huevner from midas resources are

1657
01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:52,079
you tired of watching your hard-earned

1658
01:04:55,589 --> 01:04:53,920
assets dwindle away as government

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spending is out of hand and the federal

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brokers gambling away your hard-earned

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money is this market a set up for a

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crash greater than 1987 too many of

1665
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today's policies resemble those that led

1666
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to the collapse of 1929

1667
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[Music]

1737
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:13,119
ron mcgare is joining us

1738
01:08:16,709 --> 01:08:14,880
is this going to be another damn roswell

1739
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:16,719
book is that the final title of the book

1740
01:08:21,189 --> 01:08:18,640
he's working on i'm sure that won't be

1741
01:08:23,189 --> 01:08:21,199
the final title that's you're hoping it

1742
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:23,199
won't yeah well

1743
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:24,960
i i figure as author ought to have some

1744
01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:27,600
say so in what the title of my book is

1745
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:30,000
so there was this patchwork of time

1746
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:31,199
zones

1747
01:08:35,189 --> 01:08:32,880
and the batman photograph was an

1748
01:08:37,829 --> 01:08:35,199
interesting one because it was sent out

1749
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:37,839
to be published and never made it in the

1750
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:39,920
evening edition of the paper

1751
01:08:43,990 --> 01:08:42,000
and before the morning edition of the

1752
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:44,000
paper went to bed

1753
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:45,440
the

1754
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:48,000
roswell saucer had been emptied by

1755
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:50,400
general raymie he had convinced the

1756
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:52,400
world it was uh

1757
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:54,799
nothing more than a weather gadget

1758
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:57,920
the story sat there for 50 years or 40

1759
01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:00,080
years since we're on the subject of that

1760
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:02,719
lost uh photo in the beckman archives in

1761
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:03,920
new york

1762
01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:05,520
there is something interesting about

1763
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:07,839
that photo that does not conform with

1764
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:09,839
the other photos that i think we should

1765
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:11,520
address because when when you told me

1766
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:12,319
this

1767
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:14,080
and you showed me

1768
01:09:17,669 --> 01:09:16,319
this a particular

1769
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:17,679
aberration

1770
01:09:23,110 --> 01:09:20,799
i i was really dumbstruck i mean i i i

1771
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:23,120
was really taken aback so why don't you

1772
01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:25,679
go in in with a little bit of detail on

1773
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:27,839
on what you found on this uh this little

1774
01:09:31,669 --> 01:09:29,679
known missing photo

1775
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:31,679
i will let me finish up so

1776
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:34,719
batman photograph was sent out

1777
01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:37,040
but it never was printed

1778
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:39,920
until 1997

1779
01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:43,520
and it was printed in one of these nice

1780
01:09:49,110 --> 01:09:46,719
coffee table issues books about

1781
01:09:51,110 --> 01:09:49,120
famous ufos and it was because the

1782
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:51,120
author happened to live in new york and

1783
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:53,120
he went to the batman archives and

1784
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:54,719
rumbled through there until he found

1785
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:56,400
this picture

1786
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:58,320
and there was the first time it surfaced

1787
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:01,199
but this was after we'd started all of

1788
01:10:05,830 --> 01:10:04,960
our analysis with the bond photos

1789
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:05,840
so

1790
01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:08,640
we looked at it and it was a nice sharp

1791
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:10,159
photo really good

1792
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:12,159
and it has something that chris was

1793
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:14,159
talking about that's somewhat bizarre

1794
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:17,360
there's pieces of metal in there

1795
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,880
that appear to be anywhere from a

1796
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:20,320
quarter to three-eighths of an inch

1797
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:21,520
thick

1798
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:22,960
quite a bit of it

1799
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:25,679
nothing like that on any balloon and

1800
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:28,320
radar reflector

1801
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:32,239
interestingly enough those same image

1802
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:34,560
uh taken within moments

1803
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:37,280
didn't have that it was all whited out

1804
01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:39,520
somebody somewhere

1805
01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:41,520
got to the images that were university

1806
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:44,560
of texas arlington and made them appear

1807
01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:46,320
so that they wouldn't show this

1808
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:48,080
thickness of metal

1809
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:50,320
except in one photograph they missed it

1810
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:52,000
and you can actually see the thickness

1811
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:53,840
of the metal so here we have a

1812
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:56,080
photograph that's supposedly of a thin

1813
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:58,719
aluminum foil with paper backing

1814
01:11:02,149 --> 01:11:00,239
made like a kite

1815
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:02,159
but instead of that it's constructed of

1816
01:11:05,910 --> 01:11:03,760
hollow struts

1817
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:05,920
and of metal that's a quarter inch to

1818
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:08,400
three-eighths of an inch thick go figure

1819
01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:10,000
i'm trying to figure out here as i

1820
01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:12,880
listen to you describing this

1821
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:14,480
metallic thingy

1822
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:16,080
what it is and whether there's any

1823
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:18,400
reason to think it's something from out

1824
01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:19,760
there

1825
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:22,480
the first of all we had the uh group i

1826
01:11:26,070 --> 01:11:24,560
think it was the wilmots i'm i'm not

1827
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:26,080
sure on that because i'm not a roswell

1828
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:28,480
researcher i'm really not

1829
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:30,880
so you know you're better off asking

1830
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:32,400
other people that

1831
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:35,440
but there was a couple who

1832
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:36,960
saw something

1833
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:39,120
go across the sky

1834
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:40,960
during an electrical storm and it was

1835
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:43,120
the electrical storm and all the thunder

1836
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:45,920
and lightning that uh some repute to

1837
01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:49,280
have caused this thing to crash and then

1838
01:11:58,630 --> 01:11:50,080
the

1839
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:58,640
we have

1840
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:01,440
uh made a connection and

1841
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:04,320
uh i would prefer not to say why we

1842
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:07,360
believe it's part of an extraterrestrial

1843
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:09,520
craft right now that's that's one of the

1844
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:11,040
biggies in our book we want to keep that

1845
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:13,120
one kind of under close i'll tell i'll

1846
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:14,880
tell chris offline

1847
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:17,120
uh next commercial break

1848
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:19,199
that really helps me you know but the

1849
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:20,800
point is here i think our listeners are

1850
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:22,719
going to wonder here yeah of course they

1851
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:24,320
are why would they just take this

1852
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:26,480
photograph all these little

1853
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:29,520
tiny fine details that may really go

1854
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,800
over their heads if they're not looking

1855
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:32,640
at the photos themselves

1856
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:34,560
and make a connection this is not

1857
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:36,560
something conventional you don't have to

1858
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:38,239
say where it's from because we probably

1859
01:12:41,590 --> 01:12:39,440
don't know

1860
01:12:43,510 --> 01:12:41,600
but i'm not seeing unconventional yet

1861
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:43,520
please fill me in

1862
01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:45,280
well there's it's really

1863
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:47,040
i guess

1864
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:51,120
since we don't have any physical objects

1865
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:53,280
we can't do uh

1866
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:55,600
tests to determine if the metal has the

1867
01:13:01,110 --> 01:12:59,120
right isotropic properties can't do that

1868
01:13:03,430 --> 01:13:01,120
we're in the same position of don and

1869
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:03,440
tom trying to say well what was the dna

1870
01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:05,600
analysis on the mummy well we don't have

1871
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:07,760
one so we can't do that i think more so

1872
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:10,560
in one respect is that the sourcing of

1873
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:11,920
those slides

1874
01:13:15,990 --> 01:13:13,840
is difficult to put together because

1875
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:16,000
it's just made on assumptions whereas

1876
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:18,159
here we have something where we know

1877
01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:19,840
where it was taken we know when it was

1878
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:20,719
taken

1879
01:13:24,229 --> 01:13:22,800
so we have more information about it at

1880
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:24,239
least yeah oh yeah but what i'm saying

1881
01:13:29,110 --> 01:13:26,960
is the the data from the pictures

1882
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:29,120
themselves is restricted what's on the

1883
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:32,400
pictures now we can we can rely on

1884
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:35,679
witnesses who no longer are live

1885
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:37,760
that at the time said it was a crash

1886
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:39,040
flying disc

1887
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,480
but uh

1888
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:42,400
a flying saucer

1889
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:44,480
one of whom was uh colonel butch

1890
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:47,040
blanchard a commander of the base

1891
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:50,640
uh if we accept the testimony of

1892
01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:52,880
walter hawt the gentleman who wrote the

1893
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:55,679
press release he said it was uh

1894
01:14:01,510 --> 01:13:58,800
he saw it it was a dislike pod with

1895
01:14:02,950 --> 01:14:01,520
a dislike craft with a pot on top and uh

1896
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:02,960
dead little people

1897
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:05,040
so if we want to take these things but

1898
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:07,280
i'm not getting into that that's not my

1899
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:08,400
fault

1900
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:10,000
my job was to look at the pictures and

1901
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:11,760
tell you what to find

1902
01:14:17,910 --> 01:14:14,800
so we can speculate all we want i i'm

1903
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:17,920
saying okay let's assume these guys are

1904
01:14:20,950 --> 01:14:19,760
reasonably intelligent and telling us

1905
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:20,960
the truth

1906
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:22,640
what have we got in these pictures that

1907
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:23,679
we'll

1908
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:25,679
confirm well the air force said it was a

1909
01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:28,400
flying saucer okay then they said it

1910
01:14:32,790 --> 01:14:31,120
wasn't and every single thing they said

1911
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:32,800
it was

1912
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:34,640
with the exception of a crash flying

1913
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:35,520
disc

1914
01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:36,960
we can prove them wrong with their own

1915
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:38,320
documents

1916
01:14:42,070 --> 01:14:40,320
so that leaves the only other thing that

1917
01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:42,080
that could have been what they said it

1918
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:43,760
was the first time and that's a crash

1919
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:45,280
flying disc

1920
01:14:51,669 --> 01:14:48,239
so you know i i would say using some

1921
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:51,679
simple logic we can conclude that either

1922
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:54,320
everybody lied all the way through

1923
01:14:58,950 --> 01:14:56,880
when and they're dead so we can't cross

1924
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:58,960
uh cross-examine them

1925
01:15:13,110 --> 01:14:59,840
or

1926
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:13,120
they were proud of it by the way the

1927
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:14,880
headline says they captured it i mean it

1928
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:16,400
wasn't like they found it they captured

1929
01:15:20,229 --> 01:15:17,760
the darn thing they were they were

1930
01:15:22,149 --> 01:15:20,239
bragging because at that period in time

1931
01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:22,159
there were ufos flying all over the

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place uh if you check newspaper reports

1933
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:28,239
two weeks before was the famous event up

1934
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:30,719
in washington where kenneth arnold saw

1935
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:32,400
his ufo so i mean it was sort of

1936
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:33,840
bragging rights we got one before

1937
01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:36,159
anybody else nan or nanner

1938
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:36,960
so

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01:15:41,110 --> 01:15:39,920
uh i think they they bit off a big one

1940
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:41,120
there and

1941
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:42,800
kind of had to back off when they found

1942
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:43,520
out

1943
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:45,040
that there were bodies present that's

1944
01:15:47,590 --> 01:15:46,320
just a hunch

1945
01:15:48,709 --> 01:15:47,600
but there's

1946
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:48,719
like i say we're looking at the

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photographs and what they tell us and

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01:15:54,229 --> 01:15:52,000
what they tell us is what the air force

1949
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:54,239
said it was it isn't

1950
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:56,000
and it would be nice to see how we can

1951
01:15:59,830 --> 01:15:57,840
put together what it really is and go

1952
01:16:02,709 --> 01:15:59,840
through all the possibilities

1953
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:02,719
again we're talking to ron reger

1954
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:04,880
man he's not a neo fight he's been

1955
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:06,880
following this stuff around for quite a

1956
01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:08,000
few years

1957
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:10,960
trying to put together these photos see

1958
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:12,800
what they show since they do not

1959
01:16:16,149 --> 01:16:14,480
evidently show

1960
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:16,159
we were looking at

1961
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:18,719
balloons like the air force

1962
01:16:23,270 --> 01:16:21,760
had claimed after the original story

1963
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:23,280
so much for that we'll get to more of it

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in a moment a few questions from our

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listeners also from

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hi this is james fox from chasing ufos

2070
01:21:03,430 --> 01:20:57,360
you're listening to the paracast the

2071
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:06,149
i think chris wants to say the parrot

2072
01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:07,520
cast

2073
01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:14,390
any case ron regaire is here

2074
01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:16,719
he's writing a book about roswell is it

2075
01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:19,679
going to be all or mostly about these

2076
01:21:23,830 --> 01:21:21,520
photos and what they mean what else are

2077
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:23,840
you going to cover okay yeah there's

2078
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:25,679
there's some people that say that was

2079
01:21:30,310 --> 01:21:27,679
all the debris where where was general

2080
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:30,320
raymie when bond first got there

2081
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:31,840
when did he take the photographs he

2082
01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:33,600
didn't have time to do this and then the

2083
01:21:36,870 --> 01:21:34,880
other so

2084
01:21:39,270 --> 01:21:36,880
one of the things that we did was

2085
01:21:41,590 --> 01:21:39,280
determine what time the photographs were

2086
01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:41,600
taken that was kind of a neat little

2087
01:21:47,590 --> 01:21:44,320
thing because if you look through

2088
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:47,600
the window of the general raimi

2089
01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:49,280
photograph

2090
01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:50,960
you can see a

2091
01:21:55,510 --> 01:21:53,679
bumper guard around a license plate

2092
01:21:58,149 --> 01:21:55,520
frame

2093
01:21:59,830 --> 01:21:58,159
and that bumper guard

2094
01:22:01,990 --> 01:21:59,840
is unique

2095
01:22:03,189 --> 01:22:02,000
to a 1941

2096
01:22:05,669 --> 01:22:03,199
buick

2097
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:05,679
staff car series 60

2098
01:22:10,229 --> 01:22:08,000
and so when we looked at that

2099
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:10,239
we found out that gee whiz we have a

2100
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:12,000
shadow we can see the shadow of this

2101
01:22:16,149 --> 01:22:13,840
thing cast so knowing

2102
01:22:17,350 --> 01:22:16,159
where we were and getting the angle that

2103
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:17,360
shadow

2104
01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:19,600
we can determine the time

2105
01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:22,480
and we determine the time within plus or

2106
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:24,480
minus about 10 minutes

2107
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:27,600
as uh 3 15 the afternoon local time at

2108
01:22:29,669 --> 01:22:28,960
fort worth

2109
01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:29,679
so

2110
01:22:32,790 --> 01:22:31,040
i thought it was pretty pretty

2111
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:32,800
compelling we found found out when they

2112
01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:34,080
were taken

2113
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:36,080
the other thing is that

2114
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:38,719
we found out that there were

2115
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:41,120
more than one photograph

2116
01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:43,920
one photographer james bond johnson

2117
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:46,480
initially did not have any recollection

2118
01:22:52,149 --> 01:22:49,199
of seeing major marcel

2119
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:52,159
but since the negatives all were there

2120
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:54,960
in the university of texas arlington

2121
01:22:58,870 --> 01:22:56,320
archives with

2122
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:58,880
major marcel he thought well i probably

2123
01:23:02,629 --> 01:23:01,199
took them and the more he talked with

2124
01:23:04,870 --> 01:23:02,639
different

2125
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:04,880
roswell researchers who fed him

2126
01:23:07,510 --> 01:23:06,719
information about this and that and the

2127
01:23:09,669 --> 01:23:07,520
other

2128
01:23:11,669 --> 01:23:09,679
he determined i must have taken him so

2129
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:11,679
we sort of looked at that but when you

2130
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:13,600
look at the pictures of

2131
01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:18,560
major

2132
01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:21,120
dubose with general raymie they just

2133
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:24,320
seem odd and chris has taken a lot of

2134
01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:25,840
pictures i'm sure if he'll sit down he

2135
01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:27,199
can see the same thing that just

2136
01:23:29,669 --> 01:23:28,719
something that doesn't doesn't feel

2137
01:23:30,550 --> 01:23:29,679
right

2138
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:30,560
so

2139
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:32,400
we looked at those and looked at those

2140
01:23:37,750 --> 01:23:35,040
then they appear to be taken with

2141
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:37,760
different focal length lenses

2142
01:23:42,229 --> 01:23:40,800
and so sure enough we measured the angle

2143
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:42,239
of the

2144
01:23:47,910 --> 01:23:45,040
stripes on the carpet which is a

2145
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:47,920
standard so it's in every photograph and

2146
01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:50,400
we found out that not only that there

2147
01:23:54,629 --> 01:23:52,880
were two photos definitely two folk

2148
01:23:56,550 --> 01:23:54,639
different focal length lenses used to

2149
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:56,560
take the photographs but they're really

2150
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:57,679
close

2151
01:24:02,229 --> 01:24:00,480
no not really here's uh

2152
01:24:04,470 --> 01:24:02,239
they're they're quite a bit off that's

2153
01:24:07,110 --> 01:24:04,480
uh so we did a regressive analysis on

2154
01:24:09,830 --> 01:24:07,120
that and we found out that uh

2155
01:24:11,830 --> 01:24:09,840
they're not not too close after all

2156
01:24:14,229 --> 01:24:11,840
i'm trying to remember what the exact

2157
01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:14,239
focal length was and i don't don't

2158
01:24:18,790 --> 01:24:16,719
remember right now

2159
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:18,800
the other thing is um

2160
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:20,480
in the photos with

2161
01:24:23,669 --> 01:24:22,080
marcel

2162
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:23,679
there is no

2163
01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:26,800
picture that includes james bond's hat

2164
01:24:32,070 --> 01:24:29,199
but his hat is prominent in the pictures

2165
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:32,080
with general raymie why because he went

2166
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:33,360
in there and dropped his hat on this

2167
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:34,719
chair before

2168
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:36,800
he took his picture

2169
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:37,520
so

2170
01:24:41,350 --> 01:24:39,040
you know there's we're trying to get

2171
01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:41,360
these all these little loose ends tied

2172
01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:43,840
up how many photographs photographers

2173
01:24:46,950 --> 01:24:45,679
because they said there was a big press

2174
01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:46,960
crumb and

2175
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:49,600
nobody was allowed close to the debris

2176
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:51,600
that's simply not true we know that

2177
01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:53,199
that's not true

2178
01:24:57,669 --> 01:24:55,840
and what it appears based upon just the

2179
01:25:00,709 --> 01:24:57,679
evidence of the photos there were at

2180
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:00,719
least three different photo shoots

2181
01:25:05,669 --> 01:25:03,280
one photo shoot where bond came in took

2182
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:05,679
the pictures of general raymie

2183
01:25:11,189 --> 01:25:08,800
and general raymie with colonel dubose

2184
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:11,199
and then after that

2185
01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:12,400
he went

2186
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:13,760
and left

2187
01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:16,960
and then when he got back to his

2188
01:25:19,830 --> 01:25:18,880
uh i'm showing chris some stuff here on

2189
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:19,840
the screen

2190
01:25:23,990 --> 01:25:21,600
and when we got back to his office he

2191
01:25:27,189 --> 01:25:24,000
made his prints and went somebody else

2192
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:27,199
then came in and got there they got the

2193
01:25:32,629 --> 01:25:30,239
ap wire photo and showed up at the

2194
01:25:34,470 --> 01:25:32,639
office where's the crash ufo

2195
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:34,480
and raymie then called his press

2196
01:25:40,229 --> 01:25:37,520
conference and announced the world it's

2197
01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:40,239
not only not a ufo it's a weather gadget

2198
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:42,719
and here's my warrant officer irving

2199
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:44,400
newton that can prove it and irving

2200
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:45,840
newton sat out there and they took his

2201
01:25:52,149 --> 01:25:46,960
picture

2202
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:52,159
verve newton

2203
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:54,880
then they probably said well gee whiz

2204
01:25:59,270 --> 01:25:57,040
who's the yahoo that said it was a crash

2205
01:26:01,510 --> 01:25:59,280
flying saucer and he brought out major

2206
01:26:03,669 --> 01:26:01,520
marcel and sat him down with this debris

2207
01:26:05,110 --> 01:26:03,679
and marcel has an embarrassed look on

2208
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:05,120
his face if you look in the photos he

2209
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:06,880
looks sort of

2210
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:10,480
like uh i don't want to be here at all

2211
01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:13,199
and uh his shoes are all grunny the the

2212
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:15,120
cuffs of his pants have got weeds in

2213
01:26:18,790 --> 01:26:16,800
them it's uh you know

2214
01:26:21,430 --> 01:26:18,800
doesn't look like a guy that's gonna run

2215
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:21,440
to his general's headquarters and see it

2216
01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:22,480
so

2217
01:26:27,669 --> 01:26:24,560
we've got

2218
01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:27,679
no press scrum until after

2219
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:30,239
uh bond has left gone back and started

2220
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:33,199
publishing his pictures

2221
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:35,199
but i kind of think here too

2222
01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:37,360
that all this

2223
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:39,280
fine detail

2224
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:42,000
does it really help us figure out

2225
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:44,159
what's in that photo what was going on

2226
01:26:46,550 --> 01:26:45,760
what they were trying to do except of

2227
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:46,560
course

2228
01:26:51,189 --> 01:26:48,639
for the decision after that press

2229
01:26:53,669 --> 01:26:51,199
release came out that a flying disc had

2230
01:26:55,830 --> 01:26:53,679
been captured to shut the whole thing

2231
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:55,840
down how could they do such a stupid

2232
01:26:59,189 --> 01:26:56,719
thing

2233
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:59,199
well what it does is

2234
01:27:05,189 --> 01:27:01,440
it provides

2235
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:05,199
i guess an academic historical narrative

2236
01:27:09,430 --> 01:27:07,760
on what happened

2237
01:27:12,229 --> 01:27:09,440
and so that's one of the reasons we're

2238
01:27:13,990 --> 01:27:12,239
going to this detail you know uh there

2239
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:14,000
there should be after we publish after

2240
01:27:17,110 --> 01:27:15,440
we show our results there should be no

2241
01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:17,120
speculation was there was there not a

2242
01:27:22,550 --> 01:27:20,080
prescribed no there wasn't

2243
01:27:24,470 --> 01:27:22,560
uh bond took his pictures and left we

2244
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:24,480
know which ones he took

2245
01:27:28,149 --> 01:27:26,400
uh the rest of the pictures we don't

2246
01:27:29,350 --> 01:27:28,159
know but uh

2247
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:29,360
so we're

2248
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:31,120
you know part of history is to determine

2249
01:27:33,669 --> 01:27:32,560
what happened

2250
01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:33,679
and

2251
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:36,000
i guess the philosophers talk about why

2252
01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:38,639
it happened and uh

2253
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:40,880
now do we have any assumptions made at

2254
01:27:45,669 --> 01:27:43,600
all here that these are all the photos

2255
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:45,679
or are there many others with more

2256
01:27:50,070 --> 01:27:47,840
incriminating stuff there's never been

2257
01:27:52,629 --> 01:27:50,080
any other photos surfacing other than

2258
01:27:55,030 --> 01:27:52,639
these seven

2259
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:55,040
deadly sins of roswell

2260
01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:57,920
i'm sorry the seven deadly sins of

2261
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:00,960
roswell yeah seven seven images

2262
01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:03,360
two of raymie and dubose

2263
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:06,159
two of raymie alone two of marcel and

2264
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:07,679
one of newton

2265
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:09,120
and that's it

2266
01:28:13,430 --> 01:28:11,600
well there you go yeah and you know but

2267
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:13,440
reason tells us if there was something

2268
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:18,149
if there were if there really was

2269
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:20,000
something as the

2270
01:28:23,669 --> 01:28:21,920
fbi says they don't buy the weather

2271
01:28:25,110 --> 01:28:23,679
balloon story and i've got the teletype

2272
01:28:27,590 --> 01:28:25,120
for that

2273
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:27,600
then if they don't buy it then

2274
01:28:31,830 --> 01:28:29,760
and uh

2275
01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:31,840
general mcmullen ordered him to courier

2276
01:28:36,629 --> 01:28:34,239
it to his headquarters in dc which they

2277
01:28:37,510 --> 01:28:36,639
did we have that on record

2278
01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:37,520
then

2279
01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:39,040
there's probably took pictures of when

2280
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:40,960
it got there even if nothing else to say

2281
01:28:44,070 --> 01:28:42,560
you dummies you didn't even know you got

2282
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:44,080
a weather balloon so yeah there's

2283
01:28:46,870 --> 01:28:45,360
probably other pictures but they just

2284
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:46,880
haven't surfaced

2285
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:48,000
um

2286
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:49,760
just to follow up on

2287
01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:51,600
how many photographers and things if we

2288
01:28:54,830 --> 01:28:53,920
look at the

2289
01:29:00,790 --> 01:28:54,840
uh

2290
01:29:02,950 --> 01:29:00,800
graphic camera speed graphic camera uses

2291
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:02,960
uh film holders and it's cut film it

2292
01:29:07,030 --> 01:29:04,560
fits inside the film holder and has a

2293
01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:07,040
little protector in front of it so that

2294
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:09,520
you can grab these film holders

2295
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:11,840
about four and a quarter by four and a

2296
01:29:15,750 --> 01:29:13,840
by five and a quarter inches is stuff

2297
01:29:17,590 --> 01:29:15,760
them in your pocket and

2298
01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:17,600
then you pop them into the camera pull

2299
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:19,520
out the protector and that exposes the

2300
01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:21,840
film take your picture put the protector

2301
01:29:26,470 --> 01:29:24,000
back in pull the assembly out flip it

2302
01:29:28,229 --> 01:29:26,480
over repeat the process you've got two

2303
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:28,239
pictures there from that one film holder

2304
01:29:31,750 --> 01:29:29,760
in the film

2305
01:29:33,669 --> 01:29:31,760
then you want to take two more you slide

2306
01:29:36,229 --> 01:29:33,679
it in and most of the guys got in the

2307
01:29:37,830 --> 01:29:36,239
habit of taking two pictures pretty

2308
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:37,840
close together

2309
01:29:41,350 --> 01:29:39,760
sliding the film and taking two more

2310
01:29:42,709 --> 01:29:41,360
fairly close together that was just the

2311
01:29:44,950 --> 01:29:42,719
way they do it

2312
01:29:47,110 --> 01:29:44,960
so if we look at this we found out the

2313
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:47,120
film holders

2314
01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:48,480
for the

2315
01:29:53,590 --> 01:29:50,960
major marcel pictures

2316
01:29:55,189 --> 01:29:53,600
are significantly different than the

2317
01:29:55,990 --> 01:29:55,199
film holders

2318
01:29:58,550 --> 01:29:56,000
from

2319
01:30:00,629 --> 01:29:58,560
the images where

2320
01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:00,639
he took of general raymie and general

2321
01:30:06,470 --> 01:30:03,199
ramy and colonel dubose

2322
01:30:08,390 --> 01:30:06,480
that's not conclusive because of the

2323
01:30:10,629 --> 01:30:08,400
star telegram which was the largest

2324
01:30:13,110 --> 01:30:10,639
newspaper in the south not not south

2325
01:30:15,750 --> 01:30:13,120
texas the largest newspaper in all of

2326
01:30:18,870 --> 01:30:15,760
the southern states at that time

2327
01:30:21,669 --> 01:30:18,880
probably had a pool of these where

2328
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:21,679
somebody could go in and grab a handful

2329
01:30:26,470 --> 01:30:23,760
and go out on assignment so let's do our

2330
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okay so the film holders

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01:35:26,070 --> 01:35:23,360
again they're they're indicative of but

2440
01:35:28,310 --> 01:35:26,080
not conclusive that there were two

2441
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2442
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and for the rainy dubai photographs

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to me the compelling inconclusive

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2446
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the

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different focal ink lenses and quite a

2448
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bit of difference

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yep

2450
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so

2451
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story that that part of the roswell myth

2452
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so to speak to bed there there was no

2453
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:57,199
press scrum there weren't a whole bunch

2454
01:36:01,430 --> 01:35:59,040
of people there clamoring

2455
01:36:02,550 --> 01:36:01,440
uh just as bond said he went into the

2456
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room

2457
01:36:07,510 --> 01:36:05,120
colonel lobo said that raymie was down

2458
01:36:09,990 --> 01:36:07,520
at the flight line looking at the debris

2459
01:36:11,669 --> 01:36:10,000
and there was some of it here and it was

2460
01:36:13,189 --> 01:36:11,679
in brown wrapping paper and they

2461
01:36:14,709 --> 01:36:13,199
unwrapped it and

2462
01:36:16,550 --> 01:36:14,719
spread it on the floor and made it look

2463
01:36:18,550 --> 01:36:16,560
pretty so he could take a picture of it

2464
01:36:19,590 --> 01:36:18,560
what was raymie looking at

2465
01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:19,600
well

2466
01:36:25,350 --> 01:36:21,520
if we listen to what

2467
01:36:27,189 --> 01:36:25,360
the ranch hand said mac brazil he he

2468
01:36:29,669 --> 01:36:27,199
found a piece and got his tractor and

2469
01:36:30,870 --> 01:36:29,679
towed it into an equipment shed

2470
01:36:33,590 --> 01:36:30,880
then we have

2471
01:36:36,870 --> 01:36:33,600
two people who loaded the debris onto

2472
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:36,880
the b-29 that flew up to headquarters

2473
01:36:42,390 --> 01:36:39,679
and one of them said it was uh

2474
01:36:43,990 --> 01:36:42,400
there were four armed mps guarding the

2475
01:36:48,070 --> 01:36:44,000
crate

2476
01:36:49,189 --> 01:36:48,080
foot high five foot wide and 12 foot

2477
01:36:50,950 --> 01:36:49,199
long

2478
01:36:53,109 --> 01:36:50,960
that doesn't sound like a

2479
01:36:54,870 --> 01:36:53,119
radar reflector or a little balloon it

2480
01:36:56,790 --> 01:36:54,880
doesn't sound like a flying saucer

2481
01:36:59,430 --> 01:36:56,800
unless it's a very small flying saucer

2482
01:37:01,189 --> 01:36:59,440
oh it apparently crashed

2483
01:37:02,470 --> 01:37:01,199
i don't think it landed and people got

2484
01:37:05,270 --> 01:37:02,480
out and took pictures i think it

2485
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:05,280
probably crashed and then the other one

2486
01:37:10,149 --> 01:37:07,360
said the uh

2487
01:37:12,229 --> 01:37:10,159
that it was uh crate was 12 foot by six

2488
01:37:14,149 --> 01:37:12,239
foot by six foot now these are signed

2489
01:37:16,149 --> 01:37:14,159
affidavits by two of the crew members

2490
01:37:18,790 --> 01:37:16,159
that flew the trash or the debris or the

2491
01:37:21,990 --> 01:37:18,800
crashed ufo or whatever it was

2492
01:37:25,270 --> 01:37:22,000
from roswell to fort worth

2493
01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:25,280
and uh then one other witness load

2494
01:37:29,669 --> 01:37:28,000
handed uh several packages through the

2495
01:37:31,750 --> 01:37:29,679
window

2496
01:37:34,470 --> 01:37:31,760
the whole flight they flew

2497
01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:34,480
below ten thousand feet

2498
01:37:38,550 --> 01:37:36,239
uh from how do we know there's

2499
01:37:40,709 --> 01:37:38,560
additional details about the flight for

2500
01:37:43,669 --> 01:37:40,719
the affidavits of people who were there

2501
01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:43,679
okay i i accept their affidavits

2502
01:37:48,229 --> 01:37:45,760
yeah and that's that's all we're working

2503
01:37:49,669 --> 01:37:48,239
with that avidavits and uh photographs

2504
01:37:52,790 --> 01:37:49,679
why would they have four

2505
01:37:54,870 --> 01:37:52,800
mps armed mps guarding debris from from

2506
01:37:57,910 --> 01:37:54,880
a from a crashed weather balloon

2507
01:37:59,990 --> 01:37:57,920
that's a little fishy right there

2508
01:38:01,750 --> 01:38:00,000
yeah so so i mean we're just looking at

2509
01:38:03,750 --> 01:38:01,760
this and saying there's a lot of things

2510
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:03,760
that don't add up since they don't add

2511
01:38:08,390 --> 01:38:05,760
up let's see what we can find out and

2512
01:38:10,950 --> 01:38:08,400
that's what we're doing and

2513
01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:10,960
do i think it's a ufo i have no idea

2514
01:38:16,390 --> 01:38:13,600
i've never seen a crashed ufo

2515
01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:16,400
uh but i do know what's in the images

2516
01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:19,679
and it's a bunch of weird stuff

2517
01:38:24,870 --> 01:38:23,199
and it came from roswell and it was

2518
01:38:27,430 --> 01:38:24,880
the people who were there at the time

2519
01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:27,440
initially said it was the ufo

2520
01:38:30,070 --> 01:38:28,400
and

2521
01:38:32,390 --> 01:38:30,080
i'm not going to argue with them first

2522
01:38:34,390 --> 01:38:32,400
of all they're dead but second of all

2523
01:38:36,550 --> 01:38:34,400
i have nothing that tells me that it

2524
01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:36,560
wasn't except the air force's book which

2525
01:38:40,470 --> 01:38:38,400
we know is full of lies

2526
01:38:42,470 --> 01:38:40,480
how you like them apples well i would

2527
01:38:44,950 --> 01:38:42,480
certainly hope we are able to get more

2528
01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:44,960
information about this what about the

2529
01:38:49,510 --> 01:38:46,560
infamous

2530
01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:49,520
raimi memo okay now the raimi memo

2531
01:38:54,149 --> 01:38:52,000
according to the air force now

2532
01:38:55,910 --> 01:38:54,159
again this is this is their study and

2533
01:38:57,109 --> 01:38:55,920
they by the way they prepared this

2534
01:38:59,109 --> 01:38:57,119
remember

2535
01:39:00,709 --> 01:38:59,119
uh stephen schiff

2536
01:39:02,629 --> 01:39:00,719
he was the uh

2537
01:39:05,109 --> 01:39:02,639
i think he was state senator

2538
01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:05,119
congressman from new mexico

2539
01:39:08,070 --> 01:39:06,400
and uh

2540
01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:08,080
he wanted to get to the bottom of the

2541
01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:10,960
roswell incident so he ordered the gao

2542
01:39:16,390 --> 01:39:13,199
to investigate it

2543
01:39:19,910 --> 01:39:16,400
and this study was the result of stephen

2544
01:39:22,149 --> 01:39:19,920
schiff's demanding answers for

2545
01:39:24,149 --> 01:39:22,159
the crash at roswell yeah and this this

2546
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:24,159
report is like four inches thick it must

2547
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:26,400
weight about four or five pounds it's

2548
01:39:32,709 --> 01:39:29,679
huge and it's not paginated

2549
01:39:35,669 --> 01:39:32,719
oh that's exciting why do they do that

2550
01:39:37,990 --> 01:39:35,679
they do it because they want to to make

2551
01:39:39,350 --> 01:39:38,000
sure that we don't know what's going on

2552
01:39:41,590 --> 01:39:39,360
it's a deliberate thing it could have

2553
01:39:42,629 --> 01:39:41,600
very you know anybody's word processor

2554
01:39:44,950 --> 01:39:42,639
can sit

2555
01:39:46,470 --> 01:39:44,960
insert page numbers and that's

2556
01:39:48,390 --> 01:39:46,480
right but we're talking about stuff here

2557
01:39:50,709 --> 01:39:48,400
it dates back to a time when there were

2558
01:39:52,550 --> 01:39:50,719
no word processors no this is the air

2559
01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:52,560
force report i'm speaking of that when

2560
01:39:55,990 --> 01:39:53,760
was that done

2561
01:39:58,709 --> 01:39:56,000
prepared in 1994.

2562
01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:58,719
so they use an early version

2563
01:40:01,910 --> 01:40:00,960
okay they use an early version of word

2564
01:40:04,470 --> 01:40:01,920
yeah

2565
01:40:07,350 --> 01:40:04,480
so we look at these the air force report

2566
01:40:12,149 --> 01:40:07,360
and they said that they sent this

2567
01:40:14,229 --> 01:40:12,159
to a high-ranking intelligence agency

2568
01:40:15,590 --> 01:40:14,239
now that probably wasn't the local

2569
01:40:17,030 --> 01:40:15,600
library

2570
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:17,040
your national photographic

2571
01:40:20,629 --> 01:40:19,360
interpretation center maybe i don't know

2572
01:40:22,390 --> 01:40:20,639
but because they didn't name the

2573
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:22,400
agencies at a high

2574
01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:23,760
level

2575
01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:25,360
government agency and they could not

2576
01:40:30,149 --> 01:40:27,280
make out any

2577
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:30,159
any words in them the uh remy what we

2578
01:40:33,669 --> 01:40:31,920
call the remy memo

2579
01:40:34,790 --> 01:40:33,679
so it's like the roswell slides in the

2580
01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:34,800
placard

2581
01:40:40,229 --> 01:40:36,880
however i showed a copy of

2582
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:40,239
i made that i made off of uh

2583
01:40:44,629 --> 01:40:41,920
to chris and he could really really

2584
01:40:46,390 --> 01:40:44,639
quickly read fort worth texas on it

2585
01:40:47,750 --> 01:40:46,400
that's something

2586
01:40:50,310 --> 01:40:47,760
now

2587
01:40:54,310 --> 01:40:50,320
i've got photographs of this

2588
01:40:56,870 --> 01:40:54,320
the image by the way on a 16 by 20 print

2589
01:41:00,229 --> 01:40:56,880
the image of the memo is smaller than a

2590
01:41:02,149 --> 01:41:00,239
postage stamp it's about an inch wide by

2591
01:41:03,830 --> 01:41:02,159
3 8 of an inch tall

2592
01:41:05,350 --> 01:41:03,840
and that's what that's the image that

2593
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:05,360
we're looking at

2594
01:41:10,950 --> 01:41:07,440
and when you look at that on that's on a

2595
01:41:13,189 --> 01:41:10,960
16 by 20 print and it's fairly dark so

2596
01:41:14,790 --> 01:41:13,199
when you enlarge that

2597
01:41:16,229 --> 01:41:14,800
and then change the brightness and the

2598
01:41:19,030 --> 01:41:16,239
contrast

2599
01:41:20,470 --> 01:41:19,040
you get these kind of blobby things and

2600
01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:20,480
uh it's

2601
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:23,440
right at the limits of resolution and i

2602
01:41:28,149 --> 01:41:25,360
would say some of it's beyond the limits

2603
01:41:29,270 --> 01:41:28,159
of resolution it's a more grotty image

2604
01:41:31,350 --> 01:41:29,280
than

2605
01:41:34,470 --> 01:41:31,360
the the one that you don't want to talk

2606
01:41:36,390 --> 01:41:34,480
about and so if we look at that we can

2607
01:41:39,189 --> 01:41:36,400
see though that there are

2608
01:41:40,950 --> 01:41:39,199
words that we can make out and three of

2609
01:41:43,189 --> 01:41:40,960
them that come immediately everybody in

2610
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:43,199
the audience of about 150 when i first

2611
01:41:47,669 --> 01:41:44,400
showed this

2612
01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:47,679
could read fort worth text t-e-x

2613
01:41:51,430 --> 01:41:49,840
everybody and i said anybody that can't

2614
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:51,440
read this put your hand you know put

2615
01:41:56,310 --> 01:41:54,080
your hand up i'd like to you know no

2616
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:56,320
everybody could read it now granted they

2617
01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:59,280
were um an audience of ufo folks but i

2618
01:42:02,709 --> 01:42:00,800
didn't tell them anything about what it

2619
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:02,719
was even i said i've got an image i want

2620
01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:03,760
to show you

2621
01:42:07,189 --> 01:42:05,199
i want you to tell me if you can read

2622
01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:07,199
anything they all read that let's get

2623
01:42:11,590 --> 01:42:09,440
past the nuts and bolts here and get

2624
01:42:12,830 --> 01:42:11,600
into the memo itself what do we know

2625
01:42:16,229 --> 01:42:12,840
about it what do we know about the

2626
01:42:18,550 --> 01:42:16,239
contents what i believe it says i think

2627
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:18,560
it's telling us that the

2628
01:42:21,270 --> 01:42:20,239
next thing we found was victims of the

2629
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:21,280
wreck

2630
01:42:26,550 --> 01:42:24,719
and that's that's the next part we found

2631
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:26,560
and that one was uh

2632
01:42:30,550 --> 01:42:28,800
it's a little bit sketchy but it's it's

2633
01:42:32,629 --> 01:42:30,560
there and

2634
01:42:35,750 --> 01:42:32,639
independent what i did was i had a team

2635
01:42:38,229 --> 01:42:35,760
of four different people looking at this

2636
01:42:40,550 --> 01:42:38,239
all of us looking at it independently

2637
01:42:43,189 --> 01:42:40,560
and when we looked at it independently

2638
01:42:44,470 --> 01:42:43,199
we came up sometimes with the same exact

2639
01:42:48,470 --> 01:42:44,480
words

2640
01:42:50,070 --> 01:42:48,480
that we came up with and some of us

2641
01:42:52,229 --> 01:42:50,080
didn't see anything where other people

2642
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:52,239
found a word so

2643
01:42:56,229 --> 01:42:54,000
i'm going to get i'm scrolling through

2644
01:42:57,109 --> 01:42:56,239
trying to find my read of this thing and

2645
01:42:59,270 --> 01:42:57,119
uh

2646
01:43:02,550 --> 01:42:59,280
but anyway we we've got a pretty good

2647
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:02,560
read of it uh dave rudiak probably has

2648
01:43:06,950 --> 01:43:04,560
the the best read

2649
01:43:08,629 --> 01:43:06,960
oh by the way dr rudiak does not agree

2650
01:43:10,550 --> 01:43:08,639
with you on the roswell slides he's

2651
01:43:12,470 --> 01:43:10,560
satisfied the placard

2652
01:43:13,750 --> 01:43:12,480
is what it is about a mummy but let's

2653
01:43:15,990 --> 01:43:13,760
just go past

2654
01:43:17,910 --> 01:43:16,000
that doesn't bother me a bit now there

2655
01:43:19,990 --> 01:43:17,920
were first of all i want you your

2656
01:43:22,470 --> 01:43:20,000
audience to know that there were five

2657
01:43:25,910 --> 01:43:22,480
different scans that were made the five

2658
01:43:28,709 --> 01:43:25,920
different techniques stan friedman

2659
01:43:29,990 --> 01:43:28,719
uh neil morris

2660
01:43:33,270 --> 01:43:30,000
uh

2661
01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:33,280
number crunch scan and paul david

2662
01:43:38,470 --> 01:43:35,440
carrying schmidt scan so we've got

2663
01:43:39,830 --> 01:43:38,480
different scans we compare those and you

2664
01:43:41,510 --> 01:43:39,840
can see

2665
01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:41,520
they're just right at the limit where

2666
01:43:46,950 --> 01:43:43,440
you can see the actual grain so to

2667
01:43:48,790 --> 01:43:46,960
enlarge them further than we did

2668
01:43:50,390 --> 01:43:48,800
is counterproductive it just doesn't

2669
01:43:53,830 --> 01:43:50,400
make any sense

2670
01:43:54,950 --> 01:43:53,840
so the other thing is uh there's a word

2671
01:43:57,270 --> 01:43:54,960
called

2672
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:57,280
apophenia which is where you

2673
01:44:02,229 --> 01:44:00,000
see clouds in the sky that's where you

2674
01:44:03,750 --> 01:44:02,239
make connection out of random data and

2675
01:44:04,790 --> 01:44:03,760
we're not doing that

2676
01:44:07,430 --> 01:44:04,800
um

2677
01:44:09,270 --> 01:44:07,440
so we can read what we can read is it's

2678
01:44:11,750 --> 01:44:09,280
addressed to vandenberg

2679
01:44:13,189 --> 01:44:11,760
and uh there's eight lines of text that

2680
01:44:15,030 --> 01:44:13,199
we can read

2681
01:44:15,910 --> 01:44:15,040
now uh

2682
01:44:18,550 --> 01:44:15,920
dave

2683
01:44:19,669 --> 01:44:18,560
rudiak has more than that uh i'm not

2684
01:44:21,270 --> 01:44:19,679
gonna

2685
01:44:23,270 --> 01:44:21,280
let him talk about what he found i'll

2686
01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:23,280
tell you what we found the

2687
01:44:29,350 --> 01:44:26,400
messages arrest addressed to vandenberg

2688
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:29,360
first line a lot of nothing we can read

2689
01:44:33,990 --> 01:44:31,600
near operation at the

2690
01:44:37,109 --> 01:44:34,000
second line ranch and the victims of the

2691
01:44:38,950 --> 01:44:37,119
wreck you forwarded to the blank team at

2692
01:44:41,990 --> 01:44:38,960
fort worth texas

2693
01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:42,000
blank ss in the disc they will ship for

2694
01:44:47,350 --> 01:44:45,840
a1 8th army air force by b-29

2695
01:44:49,109 --> 01:44:47,360
rc-47

2696
01:44:50,310 --> 01:44:49,119
wright air force assist flights at

2697
01:44:53,030 --> 01:44:50,320
roswell

2698
01:44:55,270 --> 01:44:53,040
assure the cic team said this mistaken

2699
01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:55,280
meaning of story and think

2700
01:44:57,910 --> 01:44:56,880
again we're looking at the last part of

2701
01:44:59,510 --> 01:44:57,920
the line

2702
01:45:01,109 --> 01:44:59,520
let's continue with what that memo

2703
01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:01,119
apparently says

2704
01:45:04,550 --> 01:45:02,800
on this week's episode of after the

2705
01:45:07,030 --> 01:45:04,560
power cast we'll be featuring kurt

2706
01:45:10,709 --> 01:45:07,040
collins who will join us to talk about

2707
01:45:12,870 --> 01:45:10,719
slidegate or the roswell slides disaster

2708
01:45:14,550 --> 01:45:12,880
or whatever you'd like to call it

2709
01:45:19,109 --> 01:45:14,560
to find out more go to

2710
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:21,189
with ron regair and gene and chris

2711
01:45:33,750 --> 01:45:30,390
free from the shackles of corporate

2712
01:45:34,870 --> 01:45:33,760
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2713
01:45:35,590 --> 01:45:34,880
thinkers

2714
01:45:36,390 --> 01:45:35,600
g

2715
01:45:37,750 --> 01:45:36,400
c

2716
01:45:40,310 --> 01:45:37,760
n

2717
01:45:41,910 --> 01:45:40,320
if you owe 10 000 or more to the irs or

2718
01:45:43,910 --> 01:45:41,920
state in back taxes you know they'll

2719
01:45:45,350 --> 01:45:43,920
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2720
01:45:47,030 --> 01:45:45,360
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2721
01:45:49,189 --> 01:45:47,040
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2722
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2723
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2724
01:45:54,709 --> 01:45:52,960
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2726
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2730
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2731
01:46:09,350 --> 01:46:07,600
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2732
01:46:10,870 --> 01:46:09,360
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2733
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:10,880
wondered why banks stock brokers

2734
01:46:14,470 --> 01:46:12,480
investment advisors won't talk about

2735
01:46:16,790 --> 01:46:14,480
gold iras they've been available since

2736
01:46:18,550 --> 01:46:16,800
1986 yet the financial industry won't

2737
01:46:20,550 --> 01:46:18,560
recognize the value of gold for your

2738
01:46:22,790 --> 01:46:20,560
retirement gold is outperformed paper

2739
01:46:24,229 --> 01:46:22,800
investments yet no word about iras if

2740
01:46:26,430 --> 01:46:24,239
you would like to have gold for your

2741
01:46:28,709 --> 01:46:26,440
retirement call

2742
01:46:31,950 --> 01:46:28,719
800-686-2237 don't get left behind by

2743
01:46:39,430 --> 01:46:31,960
rising inflation and low returns call

2744
01:46:42,870 --> 01:46:40,390
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2745
01:46:44,950 --> 01:46:42,880
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2746
01:46:47,189 --> 01:46:44,960
might be low and your body could be full

2747
01:46:49,430 --> 01:46:47,199
of toxins if what you drink is not at a

2748
01:46:51,669 --> 01:46:49,440
ph level of 8 or higher you are inviting

2749
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2761
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and toxins cannot survive in an alkaline

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2766
01:47:33,830 --> 01:47:27,199
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[Music]

2769
01:47:46,310 --> 01:47:42,450
[Applause]

2770
01:47:53,189 --> 01:47:49,510
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2771
01:47:54,470 --> 01:47:53,199
standard of paranormal radio

2772
01:47:57,860 --> 01:47:54,480
and now

2773
01:48:01,430 --> 01:47:57,870
here's jane steinberg

2774
01:48:03,669 --> 01:48:02,709
the raimi

2775
01:48:05,350 --> 01:48:03,679
memo

2776
01:48:07,189 --> 01:48:05,360
ron mcgare is

2777
01:48:09,189 --> 01:48:07,199
giving us an idea of what it appears to

2778
01:48:12,550 --> 01:48:09,199
be let's continue with that ron

2779
01:48:15,109 --> 01:48:12,560
okay line four blank s-s in the disc

2780
01:48:17,750 --> 01:48:15,119
disc is in quotes they will ship for a-1

2781
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:17,760
eighth army air force that was uh that's

2782
01:48:24,629 --> 01:48:20,080
general raymond eighth army air force

2783
01:48:28,470 --> 01:48:24,639
by b-29 st or c-47

2784
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:28,480
right af assist flights at roswell

2785
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:31,520
assure that cic team said this mistaken

2786
01:48:37,109 --> 01:48:34,320
meaning of story and think late today

2787
01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:37,119
next sent out pr of weather balloons

2788
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:39,760
would work better if they add land demo

2789
01:48:44,790 --> 01:48:42,480
robin clues signed raymie

2790
01:48:47,910 --> 01:48:44,800
now it's a clipbling

2791
01:48:49,030 --> 01:48:47,920
language and somewhat cryptic but

2792
01:48:51,590 --> 01:48:49,040
if

2793
01:48:54,470 --> 01:48:51,600
as we know now they were sent out by

2794
01:48:56,629 --> 01:48:54,480
morse code morse code used they

2795
01:49:00,310 --> 01:48:56,639
keep the messages short

2796
01:49:02,629 --> 01:49:00,320
and use a lot of shorthand so

2797
01:49:04,229 --> 01:49:02,639
that's we know it was not a teletype

2798
01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:04,239
message

2799
01:49:11,350 --> 01:49:09,280
change line spacing we have different

2800
01:49:13,510 --> 01:49:11,360
line spacing so

2801
01:49:16,550 --> 01:49:13,520
and we know that the modality of

2802
01:49:19,270 --> 01:49:16,560
transmission then was send a message by

2803
01:49:21,590 --> 01:49:19,280
radio teletype morse code then

2804
01:49:23,669 --> 01:49:21,600
translate that have a guy sit down and

2805
01:49:25,030 --> 01:49:23,679
type it out on a typewriter

2806
01:49:27,109 --> 01:49:25,040
and then take the paper out of the

2807
01:49:28,390 --> 01:49:27,119
typewriter and hand it out so that's

2808
01:49:29,910 --> 01:49:28,400
what we've got

2809
01:49:32,229 --> 01:49:29,920
other researchers have said it's a

2810
01:49:34,629 --> 01:49:32,239
teletype we can conclusively say it was

2811
01:49:37,030 --> 01:49:34,639
not a teletype machine it was not a twix

2812
01:49:37,910 --> 01:49:37,040
machine it was a typewriter

2813
01:49:39,910 --> 01:49:37,920
so

2814
01:49:42,229 --> 01:49:39,920
that's we're trying to answer questions

2815
01:49:44,070 --> 01:49:42,239
that's one of also the other thing is we

2816
01:49:45,910 --> 01:49:44,080
know raymie hasn't read it yet because

2817
01:49:49,750 --> 01:49:45,920
his eyeglasses

2818
01:49:51,910 --> 01:49:49,760
you can see behind the paper and

2819
01:49:53,669 --> 01:49:51,920
we've been told by people fairly close

2820
01:49:57,270 --> 01:49:53,679
to him like his wife that he could not

2821
01:50:00,870 --> 01:49:57,280
read without his glasses and uh we also

2822
01:50:06,109 --> 01:50:03,830
all right chris before we go on any key

2823
01:50:07,910 --> 01:50:06,119
questions from our audience at

2824
01:50:10,870 --> 01:50:07,920
forum.powercast.com that relate to what

2825
01:50:14,070 --> 01:50:10,880
we've had so far yeah there are and um

2826
01:50:15,990 --> 01:50:14,080
one in particular you know it's it's

2827
01:50:17,669 --> 01:50:16,000
it's pretty you know i mean we are dot

2828
01:50:18,950 --> 01:50:17,679
and eyes and crossing tees and this is

2829
01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:18,960
definitely

2830
01:50:24,149 --> 01:50:21,920
you know taking this whole subject uh

2831
01:50:26,310 --> 01:50:24,159
inside baseball so to speak but

2832
01:50:28,070 --> 01:50:26,320
chuckleberry finn one of our

2833
01:50:30,470 --> 01:50:28,080
uh posters who's been

2834
01:50:32,149 --> 01:50:30,480
posting at the forum since 2007 he's

2835
01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:32,159
he's he doesn't post very often but when

2836
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:33,520
he does he comes up with interesting

2837
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:35,040
questions

2838
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:36,800
and he asks what do what are your

2839
01:50:40,629 --> 01:50:38,400
expectations about

2840
01:50:42,229 --> 01:50:40,639
how your forthcoming book may or may not

2841
01:50:44,470 --> 01:50:42,239
change public perceptions about the

2842
01:50:46,070 --> 01:50:44,480
roswell incident and what is the single

2843
01:50:47,590 --> 01:50:46,080
most important point that you make in

2844
01:50:49,350 --> 01:50:47,600
the book

2845
01:50:50,629 --> 01:50:49,360
i think the single most important thing

2846
01:50:53,109 --> 01:50:50,639
we make in the book is something i don't

2847
01:50:54,070 --> 01:50:53,119
want to talk about right now

2848
01:50:54,950 --> 01:50:54,080
sorry

2849
01:50:59,750 --> 01:50:54,960
uh

2850
01:51:03,270 --> 01:50:59,760
chris knows what i'm talking about

2851
01:51:05,510 --> 01:51:03,280
and uh it's extremely controversial and

2852
01:51:07,430 --> 01:51:05,520
i'm not going to sit here and stir the

2853
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:07,440
fresh cow pile when it's got a skim over

2854
01:51:10,790 --> 01:51:09,440
it right now

2855
01:51:12,390 --> 01:51:10,800
well how do you how is this going to

2856
01:51:14,870 --> 01:51:12,400
change public perceptions or do you

2857
01:51:15,910 --> 01:51:14,880
think it will i think it could

2858
01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:15,920
i don't

2859
01:51:22,310 --> 01:51:20,560
of the public really doesn't care they

2860
01:51:24,229 --> 01:51:22,320
want to watch shiny cars running around

2861
01:51:25,109 --> 01:51:24,239
in circle on sunday afternoon and drink

2862
01:51:27,270 --> 01:51:25,119
beer

2863
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:27,280
and talk about baseball and boob jobs

2864
01:51:31,910 --> 01:51:29,040
and that's about it

2865
01:51:34,950 --> 01:51:31,920
and they really don't care about ufos

2866
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:34,960
until one interacts with them personally

2867
01:51:40,229 --> 01:51:37,199
and i'm sorry they just

2868
01:51:42,629 --> 01:51:40,239
ninety percent of the people don't care

2869
01:51:44,149 --> 01:51:42,639
ron the ten percent of the people who do

2870
01:51:46,870 --> 01:51:44,159
care

2871
01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:46,880
how do we get them to

2872
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:48,960
see what's serious and what's just

2873
01:51:54,709 --> 01:51:51,440
carnival barker stuff

2874
01:51:56,870 --> 01:51:54,719
well i think serious people who are

2875
01:51:59,830 --> 01:51:56,880
curious about roswell

2876
01:52:01,669 --> 01:51:59,840
will learn a great deal about what the

2877
01:52:03,910 --> 01:52:01,679
truth is about what's in it and what's

2878
01:52:06,390 --> 01:52:03,920
not in the photographs

2879
01:52:08,229 --> 01:52:06,400
and every single thing we point out is

2880
01:52:11,430 --> 01:52:08,239
something that they can find for

2881
01:52:12,550 --> 01:52:11,440
themselves this is this is no magic no

2882
01:52:15,750 --> 01:52:12,560
no

2883
01:52:19,350 --> 01:52:15,760
so

2884
01:52:21,910 --> 01:52:19,360
that to me is comforting to know that

2885
01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:21,920
there's a a body of work that's been

2886
01:52:26,310 --> 01:52:23,920
done

2887
01:52:28,149 --> 01:52:26,320
that shows that

2888
01:52:29,990 --> 01:52:28,159
one

2889
01:52:33,189 --> 01:52:30,000
there was something that happened out

2890
01:52:35,589 --> 01:52:33,199
there that um

2891
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:35,599
we can figure out what it was to the

2892
01:52:39,910 --> 01:52:37,920
best of our knowledge and definitely can

2893
01:52:41,589 --> 01:52:39,920
prove what it was not

2894
01:52:42,470 --> 01:52:41,599
it was not what the government said it

2895
01:52:45,109 --> 01:52:42,480
was

2896
01:52:47,589 --> 01:52:45,119
and if that's enough to get enough

2897
01:52:49,270 --> 01:52:47,599
people to to get moving again maybe we

2898
01:52:52,709 --> 01:52:49,280
can get another stephen shift to say

2899
01:52:54,149 --> 01:52:52,719
okay air force we know now that you lied

2900
01:52:56,310 --> 01:52:54,159
why don't you really tell us what's

2901
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:56,320
going on and that would be the real

2902
01:53:00,470 --> 01:52:58,480
bonus of this whole thing but

2903
01:53:02,550 --> 01:53:00,480
unfortunately i mean i i think i speak

2904
01:53:06,149 --> 01:53:02,560
for a lot of people when i say that

2905
01:53:08,390 --> 01:53:06,159
chances of any smoking gun documentation

2906
01:53:10,790 --> 01:53:08,400
paperwork photographs

2907
01:53:13,589 --> 01:53:10,800
recordings anything of that sort has

2908
01:53:16,790 --> 01:53:13,599
probably been destroyed long time ago

2909
01:53:18,229 --> 01:53:16,800
to keep the you know the subterfuge

2910
01:53:20,550 --> 01:53:18,239
in place and

2911
01:53:22,310 --> 01:53:20,560
and also not provide any potential

2912
01:53:24,629 --> 01:53:22,320
smoking gun evidence that could prove or

2913
01:53:26,070 --> 01:53:24,639
disprove any any particular theory don't

2914
01:53:29,350 --> 01:53:26,080
you think that all this evidence is

2915
01:53:31,430 --> 01:53:29,360
probably uh has been destroyed or made

2916
01:53:32,709 --> 01:53:31,440
rendered uh you know

2917
01:53:33,750 --> 01:53:32,719
into some place

2918
01:53:34,950 --> 01:53:33,760
uh

2919
01:53:36,870 --> 01:53:34,960
totally

2920
01:53:38,629 --> 01:53:36,880
out of reach of uh any sort of

2921
01:53:41,270 --> 01:53:38,639
government inquiry

2922
01:53:43,830 --> 01:53:41,280
yep uh that's why we were so surprised

2923
01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:43,840
to find the the bettman image

2924
01:53:49,189 --> 01:53:46,960
and chris is looking at it right now

2925
01:53:51,270 --> 01:53:49,199
that sure don't look like tinfoil to me

2926
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:51,280
that raises an interesting question here

2927
01:53:55,750 --> 01:53:53,119
do you think there's other stuff about

2928
01:53:57,750 --> 01:53:55,760
roswell hiding in plain sight which

2929
01:53:59,830 --> 01:53:57,760
essentially is what this is

2930
01:54:02,870 --> 01:53:59,840
no that is left to discover at this

2931
01:54:04,470 --> 01:54:02,880
point no not at all i don't

2932
01:54:06,229 --> 01:54:04,480
i think this was that i think they

2933
01:54:07,830 --> 01:54:06,239
learned very quickly

2934
01:54:09,430 --> 01:54:07,840
to uh

2935
01:54:11,189 --> 01:54:09,440
what they were doing and what not doing

2936
01:54:13,510 --> 01:54:11,199
and took care of it i don't you know the

2937
01:54:15,430 --> 01:54:13,520
government is a stupid and in spite of

2938
01:54:17,910 --> 01:54:15,440
what people say they they do keep

2939
01:54:19,430 --> 01:54:17,920
secrets for a long time

2940
01:54:22,950 --> 01:54:19,440
until they want them out and when they

2941
01:54:24,390 --> 01:54:22,960
want them out they're out but um no i

2942
01:54:26,870 --> 01:54:24,400
don't think there's anything else hiding

2943
01:54:29,510 --> 01:54:26,880
in plain sight

2944
01:54:31,589 --> 01:54:29,520
all right but even if this stuff

2945
01:54:33,109 --> 01:54:31,599
is what you say it is and we get your

2946
01:54:34,790 --> 01:54:33,119
final conclusions

2947
01:54:36,629 --> 01:54:34,800
what do we do with it

2948
01:54:38,149 --> 01:54:36,639
academically we can say well i guess we

2949
01:54:41,350 --> 01:54:38,159
have photos here of something that may

2950
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:41,360
or may not have originated on this earth

2951
01:54:45,990 --> 01:54:43,840
but who's going to care anymore

2952
01:54:47,430 --> 01:54:46,000
i care you care you wouldn't be asking

2953
01:54:49,510 --> 01:54:47,440
me these questions

2954
01:54:51,030 --> 01:54:49,520
so yeah there's there's a small group

2955
01:54:52,790 --> 01:54:51,040
that really wants to know what the

2956
01:54:54,790 --> 01:54:52,800
heck's going on

2957
01:54:56,550 --> 01:54:54,800
and we're fitting one more piece of the

2958
01:54:57,669 --> 01:54:56,560
puzzle do we have the whole puzzle heck

2959
01:54:59,270 --> 01:54:57,679
no

2960
01:55:01,350 --> 01:54:59,280
there are there's there's hundreds of

2961
01:55:03,030 --> 01:55:01,360
pieces uh we don't know how many pieces

2962
01:55:05,910 --> 01:55:03,040
of puzzle there are but

2963
01:55:08,550 --> 01:55:05,920
unless we keep working to determine what

2964
01:55:09,990 --> 01:55:08,560
is the truth what is real and what is it

2965
01:55:11,510 --> 01:55:10,000
we'll never get anywhere you know we'll

2966
01:55:13,030 --> 01:55:11,520
go back to watching shawnee cars running

2967
01:55:15,270 --> 01:55:13,040
around in circles

2968
01:55:16,950 --> 01:55:15,280
why ron do you think that out of all the

2969
01:55:19,350 --> 01:55:16,960
hundreds and hundreds possibly thousands

2970
01:55:21,270 --> 01:55:19,360
of pieces that were gathered by the

2971
01:55:23,510 --> 01:55:21,280
painstakingly gathered by

2972
01:55:25,669 --> 01:55:23,520
officials out at the site

2973
01:55:28,629 --> 01:55:25,679
why do you think not one piece was

2974
01:55:32,310 --> 01:55:28,639
squirreled away to be revealed later

2975
01:55:34,790 --> 01:55:32,320
uh in some family uh you know safe uh

2976
01:55:36,629 --> 01:55:34,800
some lock box somebody squirreling away

2977
01:55:39,030 --> 01:55:36,639
a piece of the wreckage and then coming

2978
01:55:39,910 --> 01:55:39,040
forth with it we haven't had one person

2979
01:55:41,669 --> 01:55:39,920
uh

2980
01:55:43,270 --> 01:55:41,679
who has claimed that they have access to

2981
01:55:44,470 --> 01:55:43,280
a piece of the wreckage actually produce

2982
01:55:46,790 --> 01:55:44,480
that well

2983
01:55:49,270 --> 01:55:46,800
well it's a good question and uh again

2984
01:55:51,030 --> 01:55:49,280
if we take the witnesses they did there

2985
01:55:53,030 --> 01:55:51,040
were um

2986
01:55:55,510 --> 01:55:53,040
quite a few people that

2987
01:55:57,109 --> 01:55:55,520
uh took it because uh there was let's

2988
01:55:59,270 --> 01:55:57,119
see i'm trying to remember names and i'm

2989
01:56:01,430 --> 01:55:59,280
like i said i'm not a roswell researcher

2990
01:56:04,390 --> 01:56:01,440
so i i don't remember the names you'd

2991
01:56:05,750 --> 01:56:04,400
have to read the other guy's books

2992
01:56:07,109 --> 01:56:05,760
but

2993
01:56:09,830 --> 01:56:07,119
i remember

2994
01:56:12,070 --> 01:56:09,840
one guy saying how he had one and he was

2995
01:56:14,550 --> 01:56:12,080
showing it at the bar at

2996
01:56:16,950 --> 01:56:14,560
chuck wade's father's bar

2997
01:56:18,870 --> 01:56:16,960
in corona

2998
01:56:21,510 --> 01:56:18,880
and the next day

2999
01:56:23,589 --> 01:56:21,520
the air force was there to pick it up

3000
01:56:25,030 --> 01:56:23,599
the the other thing to remember is the

3001
01:56:27,990 --> 01:56:25,040
attitude was

3002
01:56:31,030 --> 01:56:28,000
the the political climate was totally

3003
01:56:32,870 --> 01:56:31,040
different than it is now then we just

3004
01:56:35,189 --> 01:56:32,880
won the second world war we were the

3005
01:56:37,750 --> 01:56:35,199
strongest baddest nation in the world

3006
01:56:39,589 --> 01:56:37,760
and and yet we didn't exploit we didn't

3007
01:56:40,870 --> 01:56:39,599
try to take over the world now i'm not

3008
01:56:42,950 --> 01:56:40,880
trying to make this a political

3009
01:56:45,189 --> 01:56:42,960
statement other than the fact that

3010
01:56:47,270 --> 01:56:45,199
people are in the mindset that the

3011
01:56:49,350 --> 01:56:47,280
government was right and

3012
01:56:51,589 --> 01:56:49,360
our patriotic duty was to do what the

3013
01:56:53,669 --> 01:56:51,599
government said to do in other words

3014
01:56:55,750 --> 01:56:53,679
folks and we'll have to break now

3015
01:56:57,430 --> 01:56:55,760
in those days we believe the government

3016
01:57:00,229 --> 01:56:57,440
yeah now we're being told the government

3017
01:57:00,950 --> 01:57:00,239
just lies to us and maybe that started

3018
01:57:02,629 --> 01:57:00,960
with

3019
01:57:04,709 --> 01:57:02,639
watergate where things started to

3020
01:57:07,109 --> 01:57:04,719
unravel but maybe a lot sooner if we

3021
01:57:08,950 --> 01:57:07,119
consider the ufo field now i know your

3022
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listeners are wondering why we've gone

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once again in the direction of roswell

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and let me tell you that we've tried for

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nine years on the power cast to have the

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last

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roswell

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discussion but it never seems to turn

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out that way

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we've got a lot more to talk about with

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let me tell you we're going to also

3134
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feature a discussion with kurt collins

3135
02:02:10,790 --> 02:02:08,159
friend of the show who has studied the

3136
02:02:13,109 --> 02:02:10,800
roswell slides cash landrum case and

3137
02:02:15,189 --> 02:02:13,119
he's going to talk about the work of the

3138
02:02:16,709 --> 02:02:15,199
roswell slide study group

3139
02:02:18,310 --> 02:02:16,719
that we see here ron regard does not

3140
02:02:20,550 --> 02:02:18,320
agree with but we're going to get kurt's

3141
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point of view in this week's episode of

3142
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after the power cast and by the way

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3151
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so we're trying to find another piece of

3152
02:02:53,750 --> 02:02:51,040
the roswell puzzle with ron riguere

3153
02:02:55,990 --> 02:02:53,760
working on his book another damn roswell

3154
02:02:57,990 --> 02:02:56,000
book or maybe not another dan roswell

3155
02:03:00,229 --> 02:02:58,000
book however it's going to be named not

3156
02:03:01,270 --> 02:03:00,239
sounds pretty good don't you think ron

3157
02:03:02,149 --> 02:03:01,280
okay

3158
02:03:04,629 --> 02:03:02,159
yeah

3159
02:03:06,790 --> 02:03:04,639
again we're still working on the title

3160
02:03:08,790 --> 02:03:06,800
by the way this um it's over being

3161
02:03:10,870 --> 02:03:08,800
reviewed right now by my co-author in

3162
02:03:13,510 --> 02:03:10,880
great britain and uh

3163
02:03:16,390 --> 02:03:13,520
we've got an interesting

3164
02:03:19,030 --> 02:03:16,400
little film clip that we just discovered

3165
02:03:20,950 --> 02:03:19,040
he drug out of his archives by the way

3166
02:03:23,990 --> 02:03:20,960
for those who don't know neil neil

3167
02:03:26,790 --> 02:03:24,000
morris is in charge of the

3168
02:03:29,589 --> 02:03:26,800
lab at the university of manchester in

3169
02:03:31,910 --> 02:03:29,599
england and that's uh the physics and

3170
02:03:34,149 --> 02:03:31,920
astronomy lab uh

3171
02:03:36,629 --> 02:03:34,159
that's sort of the mit of great britain

3172
02:03:38,629 --> 02:03:36,639
so this this guy isn't a schmuck he's

3173
02:03:42,070 --> 02:03:38,639
pretty well knows what he's doing and

3174
02:03:44,229 --> 02:03:42,080
he's done most of the analysis work when

3175
02:03:46,310 --> 02:03:44,239
is the book going to be out i hope it's

3176
02:03:49,350 --> 02:03:46,320
out before roswell because i'm going i'm

3177
02:03:51,510 --> 02:03:49,360
supposed to speak at roswell in uh

3178
02:03:53,430 --> 02:03:51,520
jan in july and i'd sure like to have

3179
02:03:55,510 --> 02:03:53,440
copies of the book there available but

3180
02:03:57,350 --> 02:03:55,520
uh this is the roswell

3181
02:03:58,550 --> 02:03:57,360
convention or whatever

3182
02:04:00,790 --> 02:03:58,560
so it doesn't look like it's going to

3183
02:04:02,870 --> 02:04:00,800
make it this is the annual shindig over

3184
02:04:04,470 --> 02:04:02,880
in roswell new mexico correct

3185
02:04:06,070 --> 02:04:04,480
you know we have a couple of segments

3186
02:04:07,669 --> 02:04:06,080
left here and

3187
02:04:08,950 --> 02:04:07,679
i'd like to ask you a few questions in

3188
02:04:12,390 --> 02:04:08,960
general about

3189
02:04:13,990 --> 02:04:12,400
the state of the ufo field as i

3190
02:04:16,070 --> 02:04:14,000
suggested in the first segment as you

3191
02:04:18,229 --> 02:04:16,080
recall whether it should be terminated

3192
02:04:20,070 --> 02:04:18,239
with extreme prejudice but first chris

3193
02:04:21,350 --> 02:04:20,080
any more questions left

3194
02:04:23,109 --> 02:04:21,360
well i think ron has pretty much

3195
02:04:25,270 --> 02:04:23,119
addressed them uh

3196
02:04:27,589 --> 02:04:25,280
you know drake the uh

3197
02:04:30,470 --> 02:04:27,599
asks something to the effect of you know

3198
02:04:32,070 --> 02:04:30,480
what do you think the rhyming memo is

3199
02:04:34,310 --> 02:04:32,080
could it be talking points as i have

3200
02:04:35,510 --> 02:04:34,320
seen elsewhere if it does say victims of

3201
02:04:37,589 --> 02:04:35,520
the wreck

3202
02:04:39,910 --> 02:04:37,599
why would he have had that as a talking

3203
02:04:41,669 --> 02:04:39,920
point or could it have been hastily put

3204
02:04:44,629 --> 02:04:41,679
together you know a series of notes that

3205
02:04:46,790 --> 02:04:44,639
were prepared for his commanding officer

3206
02:04:48,950 --> 02:04:46,800
since you've determined that his name is

3207
02:04:50,470 --> 02:04:48,960
on this thing why was he holding that

3208
02:04:51,990 --> 02:04:50,480
particular piece of paper what was it

3209
02:04:54,070 --> 02:04:52,000
for

3210
02:04:56,310 --> 02:04:54,080
uh i believe it was a message he was

3211
02:04:57,430 --> 02:04:56,320
sending out to vandenberg

3212
02:05:01,109 --> 02:04:57,440
and

3213
02:05:03,669 --> 02:05:01,119
probably just uh since it was so

3214
02:05:05,669 --> 02:05:03,679
clipped and cryptic

3215
02:05:06,709 --> 02:05:05,679
kirk might have said sir do you really

3216
02:05:10,550 --> 02:05:06,719
want to

3217
02:05:12,790 --> 02:05:10,560
and maybe reword it a little bit

3218
02:05:13,910 --> 02:05:12,800
again that's speculation i don't know

3219
02:05:14,790 --> 02:05:13,920
but uh

3220
02:05:17,030 --> 02:05:14,800
it

3221
02:05:19,750 --> 02:05:17,040
does appear from what our read is to be

3222
02:05:21,830 --> 02:05:19,760
to vandenberg from

3223
02:05:23,589 --> 02:05:21,840
and um

3224
02:05:26,229 --> 02:05:23,599
by the way it's interesting an

3225
02:05:28,390 --> 02:05:26,239
interesting side note on this is

3226
02:05:29,189 --> 02:05:28,400
that there's been people that have said

3227
02:05:32,070 --> 02:05:29,199
well

3228
02:05:33,510 --> 02:05:32,080
gee if this these guys were also stupid

3229
02:05:34,629 --> 02:05:33,520
that they couldn't identify a weather

3230
02:05:37,189 --> 02:05:34,639
balloon

3231
02:05:39,350 --> 02:05:37,199
they probably just really got black bald

3232
02:05:42,070 --> 02:05:39,360
from then on and didn't go anywhere well

3233
02:05:44,950 --> 02:05:42,080
that's not true

3234
02:05:47,189 --> 02:05:44,960
the commander of the 509th bomb group

3235
02:05:49,910 --> 02:05:47,199
and for people who don't realize this

3236
02:05:51,189 --> 02:05:49,920
that was the only group in the entire

3237
02:05:53,430 --> 02:05:51,199
world

3238
02:05:54,950 --> 02:05:53,440
that was qualified and certified to drop

3239
02:05:56,950 --> 02:05:54,960
nuclear weapons and they're the ones

3240
02:05:58,709 --> 02:05:56,960
that dropped the weapons on hiroshima

3241
02:06:00,470 --> 02:05:58,719
and nagasaki

3242
02:06:03,189 --> 02:06:00,480
these guys were the cream of the cream

3243
02:06:05,589 --> 02:06:03,199
of the cream of the crop

3244
02:06:07,830 --> 02:06:05,599
major marcel had graduated top of his

3245
02:06:09,990 --> 02:06:07,840
class in radar school

3246
02:06:11,750 --> 02:06:10,000
and yeah he knew what a radar reflector

3247
02:06:13,350 --> 02:06:11,760
was

3248
02:06:15,030 --> 02:06:13,360
every one of them

3249
02:06:16,790 --> 02:06:15,040
butch

3250
02:06:18,709 --> 02:06:16,800
blanchard the commander of the base he

3251
02:06:21,270 --> 02:06:18,719
went on to become a four-star general

3252
02:06:22,950 --> 02:06:21,280
died of a heart attack in the pentagon

3253
02:06:24,790 --> 02:06:22,960
lieutenant hawt the guy that issued the

3254
02:06:26,790 --> 02:06:24,800
press release was the only one who

3255
02:06:28,390 --> 02:06:26,800
didn't really go up the ranks and he

3256
02:06:29,910 --> 02:06:28,400
just apparently just wanted to get out

3257
02:06:31,189 --> 02:06:29,920
of the air force when his time was up

3258
02:06:32,950 --> 02:06:31,199
and he did

3259
02:06:35,189 --> 02:06:32,960
colonel dubose went on

3260
02:06:37,589 --> 02:06:35,199
general raymie interestingly enough was

3261
02:06:40,149 --> 02:06:37,599
the gentleman who made the disclosure

3262
02:06:42,790 --> 02:06:40,159
and discussion about the ufos over

3263
02:06:44,950 --> 02:06:42,800
washington d.c in 1952 he was the one

3264
02:06:48,550 --> 02:06:44,960
that held that press conference so

3265
02:06:50,069 --> 02:06:48,560
apparently he became the ufo general and

3266
02:06:52,229 --> 02:06:50,079
i suppose if it was just a weather

3267
02:06:54,709 --> 02:06:52,239
balloon they would have dropped it by

3268
02:06:57,109 --> 02:06:54,719
and never heard from it again but so he

3269
02:06:59,669 --> 02:06:57,119
was he was the guy go-to guy for that

3270
02:07:02,310 --> 02:06:59,679
and the fbi didn't agree with the

3271
02:07:05,030 --> 02:07:02,320
roswell conclusion they said it was uh

3272
02:07:06,629 --> 02:07:05,040
not borne out by what they found out so

3273
02:07:09,189 --> 02:07:06,639
you know there's just so many things

3274
02:07:10,629 --> 02:07:09,199
going on here that's just we're trying

3275
02:07:13,990 --> 02:07:10,639
to put it all together and make a

3276
02:07:16,550 --> 02:07:14,000
cohesive make sense story out of it

3277
02:07:17,750 --> 02:07:16,560
again based and all circle around the

3278
02:07:19,589 --> 02:07:17,760
photograph

3279
02:07:21,990 --> 02:07:19,599
you know i'm just thinking as we talk

3280
02:07:23,669 --> 02:07:22,000
here has anyone ever

3281
02:07:26,229 --> 02:07:23,679
submitted a

3282
02:07:27,910 --> 02:07:26,239
freedom of information requests for the

3283
02:07:29,669 --> 02:07:27,920
rainy memo

3284
02:07:31,510 --> 02:07:29,679
oh my lord yes

3285
02:07:32,870 --> 02:07:31,520
i've submitted

3286
02:07:35,830 --> 02:07:32,880
probably

3287
02:07:37,510 --> 02:07:35,840
150 200 fire requests on the roswell

3288
02:07:39,589 --> 02:07:37,520
photos alone

3289
02:07:40,709 --> 02:07:39,599
never got anything back

3290
02:07:42,790 --> 02:07:40,719
they just tell you there's nothing

3291
02:07:45,270 --> 02:07:42,800
available or what that we have no

3292
02:07:47,270 --> 02:07:45,280
records responsive to your request

3293
02:07:49,990 --> 02:07:47,280
well that's convenient isn't it

3294
02:07:53,589 --> 02:07:50,000
yeah i i wanted uh one of the requests

3295
02:07:56,470 --> 02:07:53,599
was that just for the name of the

3296
02:07:57,669 --> 02:07:56,480
famous u.s government agency that looked

3297
02:07:59,109 --> 02:07:57,679
at the memo

3298
02:08:00,870 --> 02:07:59,119
just the name of it

3299
02:08:02,629 --> 02:08:00,880
we have no records response of your

3300
02:08:05,189 --> 02:08:02,639
request so that means they wrote the

3301
02:08:07,830 --> 02:08:05,199
book and within a month of my receiving

3302
02:08:08,709 --> 02:08:07,840
it which was uh within days of us being

3303
02:08:10,069 --> 02:08:08,719
printed

3304
02:08:11,589 --> 02:08:10,079
they couldn't find the records of who

3305
02:08:13,430 --> 02:08:11,599
they asked for but they wrote the book

3306
02:08:15,990 --> 02:08:13,440
and put it in their book so you know

3307
02:08:18,470 --> 02:08:16,000
they have no credibility with me but yes

3308
02:08:19,830 --> 02:08:18,480
i've written well over 150 foreign

3309
02:08:21,910 --> 02:08:19,840
requests on

3310
02:08:23,350 --> 02:08:21,920
every single aspect i can think of on

3311
02:08:26,069 --> 02:08:23,360
these photographs

3312
02:08:28,950 --> 02:08:26,079
looking at the entire ufo field

3313
02:08:31,750 --> 02:08:28,960
with regard to roswell why do we spend

3314
02:08:35,109 --> 02:08:31,760
so much time focusing on roswell surely

3315
02:08:38,390 --> 02:08:35,119
there are other cases more current where

3316
02:08:40,390 --> 02:08:38,400
more information can be found name one

3317
02:08:42,310 --> 02:08:40,400
i'm asking you

3318
02:08:44,950 --> 02:08:42,320
if i knew of one i'd investigated as

3319
02:08:47,189 --> 02:08:44,960
well well tehran is a good one i did

3320
02:08:49,910 --> 02:08:47,199
that and i got the award for the

3321
02:08:52,390 --> 02:08:49,920
best coverage of a ufo and explanation

3322
02:08:53,270 --> 02:08:52,400
and uh from mufon and a check for 300

3323
02:08:55,030 --> 02:08:53,280
bucks

3324
02:08:56,629 --> 02:08:55,040
well they gave you money they gave me

3325
02:08:58,950 --> 02:08:56,639
money

3326
02:09:00,790 --> 02:08:58,960
that was the the best ufo case ever and

3327
02:09:01,830 --> 02:09:00,800
i won the award for my investigation on

3328
02:09:04,629 --> 02:09:01,840
that one

3329
02:09:05,750 --> 02:09:04,639
well look 300 is better than nothing

3330
02:09:07,669 --> 02:09:05,760
amen

3331
02:09:09,669 --> 02:09:07,679
that's how much my entire camera project

3332
02:09:11,630 --> 02:09:09,679
got from me yeah and that's that's more

3333
02:09:13,030 --> 02:09:11,640
than i got for appearing on the pericast

3334
02:09:14,629 --> 02:09:13,040
[Laughter]

3335
02:09:16,310 --> 02:09:14,639
that's you and everybody else who's

3336
02:09:18,310 --> 02:09:16,320
appeared on the power cast in the past

3337
02:09:20,550 --> 02:09:18,320
nine and a half years so consider

3338
02:09:22,550 --> 02:09:20,560
yourself lucky my friend so yeah i've

3339
02:09:24,149 --> 02:09:22,560
been uh that's another excellent

3340
02:09:26,310 --> 02:09:24,159
excellent case um

3341
02:09:28,629 --> 02:09:26,320
uh let's see there were about half a

3342
02:09:31,270 --> 02:09:28,639
million people that witnessed the little

3343
02:09:32,390 --> 02:09:31,280
interaction between a ufo and an f4

3344
02:09:34,790 --> 02:09:32,400
phantom of the

3345
02:09:37,430 --> 02:09:34,800
imperial iranian air force

3346
02:09:39,030 --> 02:09:37,440
and i interviewed i can't remember the

3347
02:09:41,030 --> 02:09:39,040
guy's name now the

3348
02:09:43,030 --> 02:09:41,040
the guy the actual pilot i interviewed

3349
02:09:45,109 --> 02:09:43,040
him talked to him

3350
02:09:46,950 --> 02:09:45,119
we corresponded for a while

3351
02:09:49,430 --> 02:09:46,960
so yeah that was a good case yeah well

3352
02:09:51,990 --> 02:09:49,440
you were there when the dsp picked it up

3353
02:09:53,109 --> 02:09:52,000
right yeah our dsp picked up that that

3354
02:09:55,510 --> 02:09:53,119
uh

3355
02:09:58,790 --> 02:09:55,520
that dog fight yeah he was

3356
02:10:01,109 --> 02:09:58,800
he was in the dsp satellite

3357
02:10:02,390 --> 02:10:01,119
control area when uh when the event

3358
02:10:04,390 --> 02:10:02,400
occurred so

3359
02:10:06,629 --> 02:10:04,400
so he he was actually a witness to the

3360
02:10:09,109 --> 02:10:06,639
event and you know and kind of you know

3361
02:10:11,750 --> 02:10:09,119
once removed yeah electronic witness

3362
02:10:14,390 --> 02:10:11,760
yeah electronic witness guys let's do

3363
02:10:17,750 --> 02:10:14,400
our break we have ron reguer chris

3364
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o'brien gene steinberg maybe some aliens

3365
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are listening in the cia and the nsa

3366
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not just an alternative to the

3367
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mainstream media we're the premier

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independent talk radio network we are

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3370
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3371
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manipulation tool for the rest of us it

3372
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does not use any database you get full

3373
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control of all your files want to view

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the images of a folder drag it into

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graphic inverter and a powerful browser

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opens up to show your image files you

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could use it for slideshows you could

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use it to import images from digital

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cameras or from scanners need to do some

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image editing you can do that too in

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graphic inverter also print catalogs

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convert from so many formats i can't

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even list them download now to see if

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3391
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3392
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normal blood pressure naturally how

3393
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would that make you feel i'm don from

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new mexico january of 2000 i had a heart

3395
02:11:50,390 --> 02:11:47,679
attack then my real health began going

3396
02:11:52,310 --> 02:11:50,400
downhill and i had high blood pressure

3397
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high blood sugar poor vision and i

3398
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really wasn't sleeping well i was a mess

3399
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pretty much don reports dramatic

3400
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improvements with heart and body extract

3401
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i started taking heart and body extract

3402
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and from within a few days i started

3403
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sleeping a lot better my blood pressure

3404
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normalized my blood sugar normalized and

3405
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my sleep really did improve experience

3406
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these benefits and more when your body

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gets what it needs with the assistance

3408
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of heart and body extract order at hb

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3412
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the 7th 8th and 9th day i saw dramatic

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improvements from taking part in body

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3417
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complain about your cable bill going up

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and up and up do something about it grab

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a pencil and jot down this special

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3421
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looks say goodbye to the cable guy and

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3434
02:13:20,709 --> 02:13:18,079
the commercials watch local channels too

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at just 19.99 what are you waiting for

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02:13:23,629 --> 02:13:22,719
pull out your major credit or debit card

3437
02:13:26,109 --> 02:13:23,639
call

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3439
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guy cut costs and get more 1-855-905

3440
02:13:38,629 --> 02:13:34,840
my tv

3441
02:13:39,990 --> 02:13:38,639
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3442
02:13:41,750 --> 02:13:40,000
friends this is alex jones for

3443
02:13:43,430 --> 02:13:41,760
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3444
02:13:45,750 --> 02:13:43,440
for more than 15 years i have

3445
02:13:47,910 --> 02:13:45,760
exclusively used midas resources for all

3446
02:13:49,830 --> 02:13:47,920
my precious metal needs whether it's

3447
02:13:53,109 --> 02:13:49,840
bullion or collectibles you're looking

3448
02:13:55,589 --> 02:13:53,119
for midas resources is simply the best i

3449
02:13:58,149 --> 02:13:55,599
own my gold as a hedge against inflation

3450
02:13:59,910 --> 02:13:58,159
this federal reserve fiat currency could

3451
02:14:02,390 --> 02:13:59,920
go the way of the deutsche mark and the

3452
02:14:04,550 --> 02:14:02,400
weimar republic anytime in these

3453
02:14:06,790 --> 02:14:04,560
historically dangerous times it makes

3454
02:14:08,790 --> 02:14:06,800
sense to physically hold gold and silver

3455
02:14:10,550 --> 02:14:08,800
midas already has some of the best deals

3456
02:14:12,470 --> 02:14:10,560
in the industry but if you give them a

3457
02:14:14,390 --> 02:14:12,480
call and mention the radio special they

3458
02:14:17,030 --> 02:14:14,400
will give you a list of the day's super

3459
02:14:24,950 --> 02:14:17,040
specials midas brokers are standing by

3460
02:14:28,470 --> 02:14:26,470
opportunities and 800-686-2237 of

3461
02:14:33,030 --> 02:14:28,480
holding precious metals they are ready

3462
02:14:43,669 --> 02:14:36,190
again that's 800-686-2237

3463
02:14:47,910 --> 02:14:46,390
this is jacqueline you're listening to

3464
02:14:55,589 --> 02:14:47,920
the terracast

3465
02:15:00,149 --> 02:14:57,589
i think chris has been possessed again

3466
02:15:02,629 --> 02:15:00,159
by paris we have ron regair

3467
02:15:05,109 --> 02:15:02,639
yeah we're talking about roswell because

3468
02:15:06,709 --> 02:15:05,119
it's still the most important case but i

3469
02:15:09,510 --> 02:15:06,719
have to think with thousands and

3470
02:15:11,510 --> 02:15:09,520
thousands of ufo cases through the years

3471
02:15:14,229 --> 02:15:11,520
that we'd have others

3472
02:15:16,390 --> 02:15:14,239
with more current information to unearth

3473
02:15:18,550 --> 02:15:16,400
isn't there a point ron where we just

3474
02:15:20,870 --> 02:15:18,560
gotta set it aside and say well maybe

3475
02:15:23,910 --> 02:15:20,880
after this book comes out that's all we

3476
02:15:26,629 --> 02:15:23,920
know that's all we can find out unless

3477
02:15:27,589 --> 02:15:26,639
some third party involved with the case

3478
02:15:30,069 --> 02:15:27,599
their

3479
02:15:31,589 --> 02:15:30,079
heirs or someone now who's still keeping

3480
02:15:34,390 --> 02:15:31,599
the secret somewhere because something

3481
02:15:35,270 --> 02:15:34,400
is on ice reveals that truth that's it

3482
02:15:37,109 --> 02:15:35,280
folks

3483
02:15:37,830 --> 02:15:37,119
yeah i think so that's that's probably

3484
02:15:39,589 --> 02:15:37,840
true

3485
02:15:41,589 --> 02:15:39,599
but again i'm i've been working on this

3486
02:15:45,430 --> 02:15:41,599
now for 20 years i'll just figure out

3487
02:15:46,870 --> 02:15:45,440
finish it up and move on to other things

3488
02:15:50,149 --> 02:15:46,880
my next book is going to be on

3489
02:15:52,149 --> 02:15:50,159
petroglyphs and pictographs so and not

3490
02:15:54,629 --> 02:15:52,159
exactly the same thing but it's uh

3491
02:15:56,310 --> 02:15:54,639
cryptic images that uh have been

3492
02:15:58,390 --> 02:15:56,320
preserved over time so i guess it's

3493
02:16:00,709 --> 02:15:58,400
probably the same problem well since you

3494
02:16:03,350 --> 02:16:00,719
raised the point any indication those

3495
02:16:05,030 --> 02:16:03,360
images relate to the so-called ancient

3496
02:16:05,830 --> 02:16:05,040
astronauts

3497
02:16:09,109 --> 02:16:05,840
no

3498
02:16:10,310 --> 02:16:09,119
so there

3499
02:16:12,629 --> 02:16:10,320
however

3500
02:16:14,390 --> 02:16:12,639
the perhaps the pictographs and

3501
02:16:17,030 --> 02:16:14,400
petroglyphs that i've investigated the

3502
02:16:19,589 --> 02:16:17,040
answer is yes they do the remy office

3503
02:16:21,990 --> 02:16:19,599
photos no they don't ah

3504
02:16:23,669 --> 02:16:22,000
what do you think about ufos in general

3505
02:16:25,990 --> 02:16:23,679
where do you think they come from if

3506
02:16:28,950 --> 02:16:26,000
they come from anywhere outside of

3507
02:16:31,189 --> 02:16:28,960
our planetary system or are not

3508
02:16:33,910 --> 02:16:31,199
conventional it depends on who you want

3509
02:16:37,910 --> 02:16:33,920
to listen to and i'm i'm still still

3510
02:16:40,309 --> 02:16:37,920
listening i'm i'm got a friend who's uh

3511
02:16:43,190 --> 02:16:40,319
an elder in one of the puebloan tribes

3512
02:16:45,110 --> 02:16:43,200
and he says they come from different

3513
02:16:46,790 --> 02:16:45,120
places in the

3514
02:16:48,549 --> 02:16:46,800
different galaxies

3515
02:16:51,509 --> 02:16:48,559
and that they've been coming down here

3516
02:16:53,429 --> 02:16:51,519
for ages and they're called star people

3517
02:16:55,349 --> 02:16:53,439
i won't argue with them i don't don't

3518
02:16:56,950 --> 02:16:55,359
that's not part of my culture but i sure

3519
02:17:00,549 --> 02:16:56,960
am interested in it

3520
02:17:03,349 --> 02:17:00,559
and so i i try to keep my an open mind

3521
02:17:04,309 --> 02:17:03,359
as to what it it could be we see images

3522
02:17:05,270 --> 02:17:04,319
that

3523
02:17:08,070 --> 02:17:05,280
are

3524
02:17:10,389 --> 02:17:08,080
hundreds if not thousands of years old

3525
02:17:12,230 --> 02:17:10,399
that certainly look like the same thing

3526
02:17:14,469 --> 02:17:12,240
people describe

3527
02:17:16,230 --> 02:17:14,479
almost every day

3528
02:17:17,669 --> 02:17:16,240
you know aliens the big head the big

3529
02:17:18,790 --> 02:17:17,679
eyes

3530
02:17:20,629 --> 02:17:18,800
uh

3531
02:17:22,150 --> 02:17:20,639
they're they're ubiquitous in the

3532
02:17:23,589 --> 02:17:22,160
southwest

3533
02:17:25,750 --> 02:17:23,599
uh there's

3534
02:17:27,589 --> 02:17:25,760
orbs flying spheres

3535
02:17:29,270 --> 02:17:27,599
i don't know how many panels i've seen

3536
02:17:31,589 --> 02:17:29,280
that have those on them

3537
02:17:33,669 --> 02:17:31,599
so there's these weird things that are

3538
02:17:36,709 --> 02:17:33,679
all over the place

3539
02:17:38,150 --> 02:17:36,719
and if we listen to the native peoples

3540
02:17:41,270 --> 02:17:38,160
they

3541
02:17:43,429 --> 02:17:41,280
so

3542
02:17:45,110 --> 02:17:43,439
maybe it's just a big joke on the stupid

3543
02:17:47,110 --> 02:17:45,120
white man for wanting to listen maybe

3544
02:17:49,429 --> 02:17:47,120
they're telling the truth

3545
02:17:52,150 --> 02:17:49,439
why is it after all these years

3546
02:17:54,230 --> 02:17:52,160
ufo research where it happens at all

3547
02:17:56,629 --> 02:17:54,240
is done at the fringes mainstream

3548
02:17:58,469 --> 02:17:56,639
science is looking the other way

3549
02:18:00,709 --> 02:17:58,479
how do we change their minds

3550
02:18:02,950 --> 02:18:00,719
i don't know that we can first of all

3551
02:18:05,270 --> 02:18:02,960
why why do they want to have their mind

3552
02:18:07,830 --> 02:18:05,280
changed anything that

3553
02:18:11,270 --> 02:18:07,840
that goes against the grain of

3554
02:18:12,629 --> 02:18:11,280
accepted science will never be accepted

3555
02:18:14,950 --> 02:18:12,639
by science

3556
02:18:16,790 --> 02:18:14,960
i guess it was

3557
02:18:18,629 --> 02:18:16,800
40 no

3558
02:18:20,389 --> 02:18:18,639
45 years ago

3559
02:18:22,870 --> 02:18:20,399
after i went to the grand canyon the

3560
02:18:26,469 --> 02:18:22,880
second time i said you know this canyon

3561
02:18:29,349 --> 02:18:26,479
was not carved by the colorado river

3562
02:18:31,990 --> 02:18:29,359
over millennia it was a catastrophic

3563
02:18:34,150 --> 02:18:32,000
event like a major earthquake dumping

3564
02:18:35,990 --> 02:18:34,160
the great sea that the remnants of which

3565
02:18:37,750 --> 02:18:36,000
is a great salt lake

3566
02:18:39,110 --> 02:18:37,760
i was laughed at

3567
02:18:40,629 --> 02:18:39,120
you know that's now the current

3568
02:18:43,270 --> 02:18:40,639
prevailing theory on how the grand

3569
02:18:46,389 --> 02:18:43,280
canyon was formed a catastrophic event

3570
02:18:47,669 --> 02:18:46,399
you know science moves very very slowly

3571
02:18:49,669 --> 02:18:47,679
and uh

3572
02:18:52,150 --> 02:18:49,679
it's up to sometimes

3573
02:18:55,270 --> 02:18:52,160
other people to push it along like dr

3574
02:18:57,429 --> 02:18:55,280
john brandenburg and the mars uh ocean

3575
02:18:58,629 --> 02:18:57,439
and some of the uh theories that he's

3576
02:19:01,030 --> 02:18:58,639
come up with

3577
02:19:03,190 --> 02:19:01,040
about the uh the thin layer of radiation

3578
02:19:04,870 --> 02:19:03,200
that's found all around the planet you

3579
02:19:07,030 --> 02:19:04,880
won't get the mars scientists putting

3580
02:19:08,709 --> 02:19:07,040
their heads out and and

3581
02:19:10,150 --> 02:19:08,719
discussing these things

3582
02:19:11,589 --> 02:19:10,160
and height you know coming up with

3583
02:19:12,389 --> 02:19:11,599
hypotheses

3584
02:19:14,709 --> 02:19:12,399
but

3585
02:19:16,309 --> 02:19:14,719
an informed amateur like vandenberg can

3586
02:19:18,070 --> 02:19:16,319
go ahead and do that and stick his head

3587
02:19:21,030 --> 02:19:18,080
up and not have to worry about playing

3588
02:19:22,950 --> 02:19:21,040
whack-a-mole i agree i know john and i i

3589
02:19:25,750 --> 02:19:22,960
helped edit his book

3590
02:19:28,549 --> 02:19:25,760
on uh about the beautiful ladies and

3591
02:19:29,750 --> 02:19:28,559
sepulveda so yeah john's

3592
02:19:31,750 --> 02:19:29,760
john's right

3593
02:19:32,830 --> 02:19:31,760
and chris is right there just

3594
02:19:36,549 --> 02:19:32,840
traditional

3595
02:19:40,469 --> 02:19:36,559
science uh is much more interested in

3596
02:19:43,030 --> 02:19:40,479
getting the next grant than they are on

3597
02:19:44,870 --> 02:19:43,040
coming up with a new idea unless that

3598
02:19:46,629 --> 02:19:44,880
new idea has a grant

3599
02:19:48,710 --> 02:19:46,639
unless that new idea has money behind

3600
02:19:51,429 --> 02:19:48,720
you right okay and

3601
02:19:53,429 --> 02:19:51,439
tenure be damned if they don't have i

3602
02:19:55,750 --> 02:19:53,439
mean look what happened with uh

3603
02:19:57,349 --> 02:19:55,760
oh what was the doctor out of harvard

3604
02:19:58,950 --> 02:19:57,359
who went to great britain and got hit by

3605
02:20:01,590 --> 02:19:58,960
a car john mack look what happened to

3606
02:20:06,230 --> 02:20:04,070
and and that's probably because

3607
02:20:08,230 --> 02:20:06,240
uh you and i when we cross the street we

3608
02:20:09,110 --> 02:20:08,240
look to our left and we don't see

3609
02:20:10,630 --> 02:20:09,120
anything

3610
02:20:11,990 --> 02:20:10,640
we start crossing the street well they

3611
02:20:13,910 --> 02:20:12,000
go on the other side of the street there

3612
02:20:15,190 --> 02:20:13,920
he probably looked to his left didn't

3613
02:20:16,550 --> 02:20:15,200
see anything and stepped in front of

3614
02:20:18,230 --> 02:20:16,560
something and got hit because they drive

3615
02:20:20,070 --> 02:20:18,240
on the other side of the street so you

3616
02:20:22,230 --> 02:20:20,080
think he was just careless

3617
02:20:24,550 --> 02:20:22,240
no i think he was uh

3618
02:20:26,630 --> 02:20:24,560
momentarily not knowing the local

3619
02:20:29,030 --> 02:20:26,640
customs you could call it careless i

3620
02:20:30,630 --> 02:20:29,040
guess i i associate careless with a

3621
02:20:33,349 --> 02:20:30,640
little bit different activity but that's

3622
02:20:35,990 --> 02:20:33,359
okay chris a few questions snuck in our

3623
02:20:37,429 --> 02:20:36,000
forums at forum.powercast.com

3624
02:20:39,429 --> 02:20:37,439
i think we've covered part of it but

3625
02:20:41,590 --> 02:20:39,439
maybe you want to pursue that

3626
02:20:44,070 --> 02:20:41,600
okay we have a question later rival

3627
02:20:45,830 --> 02:20:44,080
question here in our last segment this

3628
02:20:47,429 --> 02:20:45,840
comes from bonaventura

3629
02:20:50,150 --> 02:20:47,439
ron what do you think of rich reynolds

3630
02:20:51,750 --> 02:20:50,160
suggestion that the debris bras brazil

3631
02:20:53,830 --> 02:20:51,760
found and brought into roswell had

3632
02:20:54,790 --> 02:20:53,840
nothing to do with the real crash

3633
02:20:57,030 --> 02:20:54,800
um

3634
02:20:58,469 --> 02:20:57,040
i don't think it had it i think it did

3635
02:21:00,309 --> 02:20:58,479
have something to do with the real crash

3636
02:21:02,790 --> 02:21:00,319
because uh

3637
02:21:04,550 --> 02:21:02,800
when you say the real crash i don't know

3638
02:21:07,429 --> 02:21:04,560
for sure what you're talking about if we

3639
02:21:08,389 --> 02:21:07,439
say the real crash being a crash flying

3640
02:21:10,830 --> 02:21:08,399
disc

3641
02:21:14,790 --> 02:21:10,840
yes if you say the real crash being you

3642
02:21:17,270 --> 02:21:14,800
uh weather balloon no so i i guess we

3643
02:21:18,790 --> 02:21:17,280
have to quantify real crash so i'm going

3644
02:21:22,230 --> 02:21:18,800
to go with the the

3645
02:21:26,550 --> 02:21:22,240
supposition that you mean a ufo that was

3646
02:21:29,190 --> 02:21:26,560
uh reported and i think yes it was

3647
02:21:31,349 --> 02:21:29,200
based upon primarily

3648
02:21:32,710 --> 02:21:31,359
little little things like the piece that

3649
02:21:35,510 --> 02:21:32,720
he towed

3650
02:21:37,349 --> 02:21:35,520
into the shelter

3651
02:21:40,389 --> 02:21:37,359
then later on

3652
02:21:41,429 --> 02:21:40,399
the after spending time with the air

3653
02:21:43,990 --> 02:21:41,439
force

3654
02:21:45,670 --> 02:21:44,000
where he's claimed to have

3655
02:21:48,389 --> 02:21:45,680
changed his story

3656
02:21:49,270 --> 02:21:48,399
but as an aside to his friend said and

3657
02:21:54,389 --> 02:21:49,280
they

3658
02:21:56,550 --> 02:21:54,399
about the fact that shortly about a

3659
02:21:58,469 --> 02:21:56,560
month after this whole thing

3660
02:22:00,070 --> 02:21:58,479
this guy who didn't have two dimes to

3661
02:22:03,110 --> 02:22:00,080
rub together had a brand new pickup

3662
02:22:04,870 --> 02:22:03,120
truck and was buying a house in tularosa

3663
02:22:06,630 --> 02:22:04,880
about a hundred miles away

3664
02:22:09,190 --> 02:22:06,640
so yeah that's circumstantial but that

3665
02:22:11,349 --> 02:22:09,200
tells me somebody talked to him told him

3666
02:22:12,950 --> 02:22:11,359
to you know go with the go with the flow

3667
02:22:14,870 --> 02:22:12,960
tell the story we want you to tell and

3668
02:22:16,070 --> 02:22:14,880
we'll make it worth your time

3669
02:22:17,750 --> 02:22:16,080
and uh

3670
02:22:19,110 --> 02:22:17,760
here's the official story and stick to

3671
02:22:20,630 --> 02:22:19,120
it and he did

3672
02:22:22,950 --> 02:22:20,640
okay here's here's another question this

3673
02:22:25,349 --> 02:22:22,960
one's about me actually aside from my

3674
02:22:27,750 --> 02:22:25,359
san luis valley camera project are there

3675
02:22:29,750 --> 02:22:27,760
any actual or possible research projects

3676
02:22:31,990 --> 02:22:29,760
with potential to bring us any closer to

3677
02:22:34,309 --> 02:22:32,000
resolution of the ufo mystery we have

3678
02:22:35,110 --> 02:22:34,319
about one minute to break chris go ahead

3679
02:22:36,630 --> 02:22:35,120
no

3680
02:22:40,870 --> 02:22:36,640
yes i thought that was a question for

3681
02:22:42,710 --> 02:22:40,880
you no that's a question for you oh okay

3682
02:22:43,830 --> 02:22:42,720
way too many times

3683
02:22:49,270 --> 02:22:43,840
uh

3684
02:22:52,070 --> 02:22:49,280
again i'm not really a ufo researcher

3685
02:22:54,389 --> 02:22:52,080
i'm i got involved in this because

3686
02:22:56,630 --> 02:22:54,399
bonn johnson asked me to i have a lot of

3687
02:22:58,070 --> 02:22:56,640
ufo books and i've got a real interest

3688
02:23:01,270 --> 02:22:58,080
in the subject

3689
02:23:02,710 --> 02:23:01,280
but my primary area of research is in

3690
02:23:06,150 --> 02:23:02,720
earlier

3691
02:23:08,870 --> 02:23:06,160
pueblo and uh petroglyphs and structures

3692
02:23:12,790 --> 02:23:08,880
and legends and things like that

3693
02:23:14,469 --> 02:23:12,800
uh as far as ufo studies i don't know of

3694
02:23:15,830 --> 02:23:14,479
any other than

3695
02:23:16,870 --> 02:23:15,840
ongoing

3696
02:23:21,910 --> 02:23:16,880
uh

3697
02:23:24,230 --> 02:23:21,920
got a couple that

3698
02:23:26,950 --> 02:23:24,240
might work out uh the

3699
02:23:29,349 --> 02:23:26,960
um the problem we all have and chris is

3700
02:23:31,190 --> 02:23:29,359
hitting the same wall is where's the

3701
02:23:32,950 --> 02:23:31,200
money and then when you make a little

3702
02:23:34,150 --> 02:23:32,960
bit everybody says you're only in it for

3703
02:23:35,990 --> 02:23:34,160
the money

3704
02:23:38,469 --> 02:23:36,000
well damn rights if you want me to go

3705
02:23:40,870 --> 02:23:38,479
out and spend ten thousand dollars

3706
02:23:42,550 --> 02:23:40,880
uh why begrudge me when i make five

3707
02:23:43,510 --> 02:23:42,560
thousand dollars to recoup part of my

3708
02:23:45,110 --> 02:23:43,520
losses

3709
02:23:46,950 --> 02:23:45,120
but that seems to be

3710
02:23:50,630 --> 02:23:46,960
the big thing well he's only in it for

3711
02:23:52,389 --> 02:23:50,640
the money so until that attitude changes

3712
02:23:54,630 --> 02:23:52,399
i don't see anybody really devoting a

3713
02:23:57,750 --> 02:23:54,640
lot of time and effort into uh

3714
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doing really really good research

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and nukes and you're listening to the

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so

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ron mcgare it's the damned if you do

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damned if you don't phenomenon you get

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paid for something well maybe you're

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doing it for the money but isn't that

3824
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true with all mainstream science i mean

3825
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scientists are not doing the work they

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do free

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scientists do do it for free

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every one of them i know gets paid for

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that's right that's the point

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one of the reasons they don't want to do

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it here is they

3832
02:29:28,469 --> 02:29:26,319
it's hard to get funding for this

3833
02:29:30,309 --> 02:29:28,479
there's been uh

3834
02:29:32,389 --> 02:29:30,319
wealthy people who have taken an

3835
02:29:34,070 --> 02:29:32,399
interest in it and they've

3836
02:29:37,910 --> 02:29:34,080
gone ahead and

3837
02:29:41,510 --> 02:29:37,920
uh given grants we know for a while that

3838
02:29:43,030 --> 02:29:41,520
uh bob bigelow was funding ufo studies

3839
02:29:45,270 --> 02:29:43,040
with mufon

3840
02:29:48,309 --> 02:29:45,280
mufon caught a lot of flack about that

3841
02:29:51,270 --> 02:29:48,319
we know that some researchers got money

3842
02:29:53,349 --> 02:29:51,280
from other sources yeah but it's few and

3843
02:29:55,270 --> 02:29:53,359
far between and

3844
02:29:57,750 --> 02:29:55,280
about the only

3845
02:29:59,230 --> 02:29:57,760
way we can make anything out of it at

3846
02:30:02,150 --> 02:29:59,240
all is to have one of these

3847
02:30:04,790 --> 02:30:02,160
extravaganzas or to speak at

3848
02:30:07,110 --> 02:30:04,800
the the carnivals that are held

3849
02:30:09,349 --> 02:30:07,120
almost monthly

3850
02:30:11,750 --> 02:30:09,359
and then all we're doing is hawking our

3851
02:30:14,389 --> 02:30:11,760
book or hawking our paper doing this and

3852
02:30:16,550 --> 02:30:14,399
so you know it's it's really kind of sad

3853
02:30:17,990 --> 02:30:16,560
that people won't say wow

3854
02:30:21,110 --> 02:30:18,000
i'll give you an example i met the

3855
02:30:24,070 --> 02:30:21,120
gentleman who made wd-40 wd-40 stands

3856
02:30:26,309 --> 02:30:24,080
for water displacement 40th attempt

3857
02:30:29,429 --> 02:30:26,319
they failed 39 times

3858
02:30:31,429 --> 02:30:29,439
they were funded the entire 40 times

3859
02:30:33,670 --> 02:30:31,439
i don't think that have been a wd-40

3860
02:30:38,790 --> 02:30:33,680
would have probably been stuck with wd2

3861
02:30:42,389 --> 02:30:40,389
but isn't that part of the point here

3862
02:30:44,710 --> 02:30:42,399
that to do something like that you've

3863
02:30:47,190 --> 02:30:44,720
got to do it over and over again

3864
02:30:49,590 --> 02:30:47,200
i don't think that a lot of things

3865
02:30:51,030 --> 02:30:49,600
happen without a lot of effort a lot of

3866
02:30:55,110 --> 02:30:51,040
trial and error

3867
02:30:56,950 --> 02:30:55,120
in the ufo field but the problem is here

3868
02:30:59,830 --> 02:30:56,960
every step of the way

3869
02:31:01,670 --> 02:30:59,840
you're going through quicksand and

3870
02:31:03,750 --> 02:31:01,680
nobody wants to put money into it and

3871
02:31:06,230 --> 02:31:03,760
take the risks or if you do like a

3872
02:31:08,230 --> 02:31:06,240
robert bigelow does sometimes uh neil

3873
02:31:10,870 --> 02:31:08,240
and i know put a lot of time and money

3874
02:31:12,630 --> 02:31:10,880
into this i know uh if if i could get

3875
02:31:14,870 --> 02:31:12,640
reimbursed for printer cartridges and

3876
02:31:16,710 --> 02:31:14,880
paper i'll be a happy man

3877
02:31:17,990 --> 02:31:16,720
as you said a damned if you do damned if

3878
02:31:20,469 --> 02:31:18,000
you don't

3879
02:31:23,670 --> 02:31:20,479
that's one of the reasons that we do

3880
02:31:25,670 --> 02:31:23,680
this is to try to arrive at the truth

3881
02:31:27,110 --> 02:31:25,680
i hate to go back full circle to the

3882
02:31:29,190 --> 02:31:27,120
beginning of our discussion but i think

3883
02:31:30,710 --> 02:31:29,200
there are two individuals who were doing

3884
02:31:31,910 --> 02:31:30,720
that and got

3885
02:31:34,230 --> 02:31:31,920
got caught

3886
02:31:35,750 --> 02:31:34,240
by you know the web of lies by somebody

3887
02:31:38,710 --> 02:31:35,760
else is uh don

3888
02:31:40,550 --> 02:31:38,720
and tom i i really to this day think

3889
02:31:41,590 --> 02:31:40,560
they're honest people who got caught up

3890
02:31:44,870 --> 02:31:41,600
in

3891
02:31:46,870 --> 02:31:44,880
questions at the right time but i don't

3892
02:31:48,469 --> 02:31:46,880
see any duplicity in either one of them

3893
02:31:49,270 --> 02:31:48,479
okay we have a little bit of time left

3894
02:31:51,429 --> 02:31:49,280
um

3895
02:31:52,710 --> 02:31:51,439
you met ray stanford and uh the question

3896
02:31:54,070 --> 02:31:52,720
is what are your thoughts about ray

3897
02:31:56,469 --> 02:31:54,080
stanford's work and

3898
02:32:00,389 --> 02:31:56,479
have you seen any of ray's data now we

3899
02:32:01,590 --> 02:32:00,399
did have a in 2007 uh november if i

3900
02:32:04,070 --> 02:32:01,600
recall and you came all the way down

3901
02:32:05,910 --> 02:32:04,080
from utah to uh to be at that

3902
02:32:07,590 --> 02:32:05,920
presentation that he gave

3903
02:32:10,230 --> 02:32:07,600
what are your thoughts about ray's work

3904
02:32:14,230 --> 02:32:10,240
and and uh and what were your thoughts

3905
02:32:17,270 --> 02:32:14,240
about his uh method of uh pulling out

3906
02:32:19,830 --> 02:32:17,280
uh diagnostic uh information from uh his

3907
02:32:21,270 --> 02:32:19,840
slides uh of his of his films

3908
02:32:22,790 --> 02:32:21,280
and uh you know what do you what do you

3909
02:32:26,870 --> 02:32:22,800
just what's your gut feeling about ray's

3910
02:32:28,870 --> 02:32:26,880
work uh i think ray deserves a special

3911
02:32:31,190 --> 02:32:28,880
award in the ufo

3912
02:32:33,830 --> 02:32:31,200
ufo hall of fame uh

3913
02:32:36,389 --> 02:32:33,840
outstanding work and i mean i don't

3914
02:32:39,349 --> 02:32:36,399
think it started at socorro but he sure

3915
02:32:42,070 --> 02:32:39,359
did shine there and

3916
02:32:43,990 --> 02:32:42,080
if you haven't got his book and read it

3917
02:32:46,650 --> 02:32:44,000
it's it is the

3918
02:32:47,750 --> 02:32:46,660
book on ro on the socorro case and

3919
02:32:49,830 --> 02:32:47,760
[Music]

3920
02:32:51,429 --> 02:32:49,840
he was there within hours of it

3921
02:32:54,230 --> 02:32:51,439
happening interviewed the right

3922
02:32:57,270 --> 02:32:54,240
witnesses asked the right questions

3923
02:32:59,990 --> 02:32:57,280
and made the correct conclusions and

3924
02:33:01,429 --> 02:33:00,000
it's withstood the test of 40 years

3925
02:33:03,190 --> 02:33:01,439
chris

3926
02:33:05,590 --> 02:33:03,200
60 years almost

3927
02:33:07,590 --> 02:33:05,600
so yeah if you talk about somebody who

3928
02:33:10,469 --> 02:33:07,600
should be enshrined in the ufo hall of

3929
02:33:12,150 --> 02:33:10,479
fame right up there in the one of the

3930
02:33:14,950 --> 02:33:12,160
the charter members should be ray

3931
02:33:17,670 --> 02:33:14,960
sanford and he's continuing to this day

3932
02:33:20,950 --> 02:33:17,680
he's still still in there plugging away

3933
02:33:23,670 --> 02:33:20,960
i think it's a paradox that he goes out

3934
02:33:26,150 --> 02:33:23,680
looking for dinosaur petrified dinosaur

3935
02:33:28,070 --> 02:33:26,160
footprints and sees ufos

3936
02:33:30,469 --> 02:33:28,080
it's sort of like shake your head and

3937
02:33:32,389 --> 02:33:30,479
wonder what's going on well he's looking

3938
02:33:35,110 --> 02:33:32,399
down and up and not just down at their

3939
02:33:36,469 --> 02:33:35,120
smartphones yeah but now that we have an

3940
02:33:39,830 --> 02:33:36,479
apple watch i'll just look at their

3941
02:33:41,190 --> 02:33:39,840
wrist for a second and give it up

3942
02:33:43,190 --> 02:33:41,200
don't know ray's

3943
02:33:45,990 --> 02:33:43,200
one of the one of the

3944
02:33:48,630 --> 02:33:46,000
few clear thinkers and uh

3945
02:33:50,630 --> 02:33:48,640
is deserving any accolade he can he can

3946
02:33:53,830 --> 02:33:50,640
ever receive i agree

3947
02:33:55,670 --> 02:33:53,840
i just said so there you have it

3948
02:33:57,270 --> 02:33:55,680
moving on ron regier

3949
02:33:58,950 --> 02:33:57,280
okay

3950
02:34:00,790 --> 02:33:58,960
we have the roswell book coming out

3951
02:34:02,870 --> 02:34:00,800
you're going to deal with the ancient

3952
02:34:05,590 --> 02:34:02,880
stuff after that

3953
02:34:07,990 --> 02:34:05,600
do you think the ufo mystery

3954
02:34:10,870 --> 02:34:08,000
or whatever it is will ever

3955
02:34:12,950 --> 02:34:10,880
be solved or are we going to be

3956
02:34:15,110 --> 02:34:12,960
yapping about roswell and everything

3957
02:34:17,030 --> 02:34:15,120
else the same old stuff 20 years from

3958
02:34:17,910 --> 02:34:17,040
now if we're still around 20 years from

3959
02:34:18,950 --> 02:34:17,920
now

3960
02:34:20,950 --> 02:34:18,960
gosh i

3961
02:34:24,150 --> 02:34:20,960
i hope i don't deteriorate in the next

3962
02:34:25,750 --> 02:34:24,160
20 the much as i have the past 20 but uh

3963
02:34:26,950 --> 02:34:25,760
so i don't want to be here

3964
02:34:28,790 --> 02:34:26,960
uh

3965
02:34:31,590 --> 02:34:28,800
it just i guess what you're really

3966
02:34:34,230 --> 02:34:31,600
talking about is disclosure or

3967
02:34:37,830 --> 02:34:34,240
is there anything to disclose

3968
02:34:41,830 --> 02:34:37,840
and my answer on disclosure for over 30

3969
02:34:44,550 --> 02:34:41,840
years has been nobody wants disclosure

3970
02:34:47,190 --> 02:34:44,560
the ufo people don't want it otherwise

3971
02:34:49,750 --> 02:34:47,200
they'd land on the white house lawn

3972
02:34:51,750 --> 02:34:49,760
and make themselves known

3973
02:34:54,150 --> 02:34:51,760
the government doesn't want disclosure

3974
02:34:55,590 --> 02:34:54,160
otherwise they'd tell us what they know

3975
02:34:57,429 --> 02:34:55,600
and the people don't want it they're

3976
02:35:00,790 --> 02:34:57,439
more interested in shiny cars running

3977
02:35:01,990 --> 02:35:00,800
around a circle and drinking beer and

3978
02:35:03,750 --> 02:35:02,000
boob jobs

3979
02:35:05,270 --> 02:35:03,760
i mean that's that's the reality of

3980
02:35:06,710 --> 02:35:05,280
where we are

3981
02:35:09,190 --> 02:35:06,720
and uh

3982
02:35:12,309 --> 02:35:09,200
until that changes

3983
02:35:14,630 --> 02:35:12,319
uh unless there's an accident which i

3984
02:35:16,070 --> 02:35:14,640
believe the roswell crash was an

3985
02:35:17,750 --> 02:35:16,080
accident

3986
02:35:19,990 --> 02:35:17,760
and it

3987
02:35:21,750 --> 02:35:20,000
happens at a point where it cannot be

3988
02:35:23,190 --> 02:35:21,760
covered up

3989
02:35:24,870 --> 02:35:23,200
it cannot be

3990
02:35:27,190 --> 02:35:24,880
talked away then there won't be

3991
02:35:29,590 --> 02:35:27,200
disclosure the government has too much

3992
02:35:32,710 --> 02:35:29,600
to lose the aliens have nothing to gain

3993
02:35:35,670 --> 02:35:32,720
and the american people don't care

3994
02:35:39,830 --> 02:35:35,680
let me ask you here if the government's

3995
02:35:41,830 --> 02:35:39,840
revealed that we feel that we might be

3996
02:35:44,309 --> 02:35:41,840
undergoing visits from people from other

3997
02:35:45,990 --> 02:35:44,319
planets or beings or whatever

3998
02:35:49,429 --> 02:35:46,000
do you think the people will go back

3999
02:35:51,429 --> 02:35:49,439
watching the stuff on tv and not care

4000
02:35:54,230 --> 02:35:51,439
no

4001
02:35:55,990 --> 02:35:54,240
that i i think the government would very

4002
02:35:58,309 --> 02:35:56,000
rapidly

4003
02:35:59,590 --> 02:35:58,319
fail

4004
02:36:00,630 --> 02:35:59,600
we've paid

4005
02:36:03,030 --> 02:36:00,640
billions

4006
02:36:04,469 --> 02:36:03,040
trillions of dollars

4007
02:36:06,230 --> 02:36:04,479
and the reason it's not just talking

4008
02:36:07,910 --> 02:36:06,240
about lights in the sky and little shiny

4009
02:36:09,510 --> 02:36:07,920
discs and funny green men that come in

4010
02:36:10,950 --> 02:36:09,520
and make commercials

4011
02:36:12,950 --> 02:36:10,960
the the big

4012
02:36:15,830 --> 02:36:12,960
elephant in the room

4013
02:36:17,750 --> 02:36:15,840
is the abduction problem

4014
02:36:19,830 --> 02:36:17,760
how do you explain to people

4015
02:36:21,270 --> 02:36:19,840
that your children may be taking out

4016
02:36:22,790 --> 02:36:21,280
taken out of a waiting pond in your

4017
02:36:24,710 --> 02:36:22,800
front yard

4018
02:36:25,910 --> 02:36:24,720
at six months and eight months and

4019
02:36:27,190 --> 02:36:25,920
dropped in the swimming pool in the

4020
02:36:29,349 --> 02:36:27,200
backyard

4021
02:36:30,710 --> 02:36:29,359
and and murdered essentially how do you

4022
02:36:33,830 --> 02:36:30,720
explain to people that they're going to

4023
02:36:35,670 --> 02:36:33,840
be maybe taken any time anybody wants to

4024
02:36:37,270 --> 02:36:35,680
from their beds at night and the

4025
02:36:38,309 --> 02:36:37,280
government can't do a damn thing about

4026
02:36:39,429 --> 02:36:38,319
it

4027
02:36:41,429 --> 02:36:39,439
how do you think they're going to feel

4028
02:36:43,750 --> 02:36:41,439
when they can realize that no matter

4029
02:36:46,550 --> 02:36:43,760
where they are what they're doing

4030
02:36:47,349 --> 02:36:46,560
these these beings can come in and seize

4031
02:36:48,790 --> 02:36:47,359
them

4032
02:36:50,550 --> 02:36:48,800
against their will do whatever they

4033
02:36:52,469 --> 02:36:50,560
doing well please i i don't think that

4034
02:36:54,309 --> 02:36:52,479
would go over too well we've spent too

4035
02:36:55,830 --> 02:36:54,319
much money in the government for long

4036
02:36:57,510 --> 02:36:55,840
for a long time and saying we're working

4037
02:36:59,510 --> 02:36:57,520
hard to protect you and for them to

4038
02:37:01,670 --> 02:36:59,520
admit that they can do absolutely

4039
02:37:04,230 --> 02:37:01,680
nothing and they're powerless i don't

4040
02:37:06,469 --> 02:37:04,240
think they'll ever ever capitulate and

4041
02:37:08,230 --> 02:37:06,479
admit that ron regard do you have a

4042
02:37:09,830 --> 02:37:08,240
website or something where people who

4043
02:37:11,030 --> 02:37:09,840
want to know more of what you do can

4044
02:37:12,790 --> 02:37:11,040
check it out

4045
02:37:15,110 --> 02:37:12,800
i wish i did but i don't

4046
02:37:17,349 --> 02:37:15,120
i'm a luddite i

4047
02:37:18,950 --> 02:37:17,359
my computer if the battery goes dead and

4048
02:37:21,030 --> 02:37:18,960
i forget to plug it in there's nothing

4049
02:37:23,190 --> 02:37:21,040
more than the paperweight

4050
02:37:25,270 --> 02:37:23,200
if somebody wants to volunteer to set me

4051
02:37:26,870 --> 02:37:25,280
up a web page and and keep it up i'll

4052
02:37:28,630 --> 02:37:26,880
i'll accept it and i'll provide them

4053
02:37:29,750 --> 02:37:28,640
with everything i've got

4054
02:37:31,830 --> 02:37:29,760
but uh

4055
02:37:34,950 --> 02:37:31,840
i'm too damn lazy too damn old and too

4056
02:37:37,190 --> 02:37:34,960
busy doing other things

4057
02:37:39,670 --> 02:37:37,200
speaking of other things you can find us

4058
02:37:42,469 --> 02:37:39,680
on twitter we're known as the powercast

4059
02:37:44,230 --> 02:37:42,479
look for the paracas on twitter we also

4060
02:37:46,710 --> 02:37:44,240
have two facebook

4061
02:37:49,110 --> 02:37:46,720
fan clubs and we try to make it easy for

4062
02:37:50,950 --> 02:37:49,120
luddites like ron riguer and of course

4063
02:37:52,150 --> 02:37:50,960
jerome clark to

4064
02:37:53,590 --> 02:37:52,160
find us

4065
02:37:56,469 --> 02:37:53,600
and we have

4066
02:37:57,990 --> 02:37:56,479
another radio show it's called after the

4067
02:37:59,670 --> 02:37:58,000
power cast

4068
02:38:01,750 --> 02:37:59,680
and this week we'll have kurt collins to

4069
02:38:04,469 --> 02:38:01,760
talk about the roswell slides research

4070
02:38:06,710 --> 02:38:04,479
group and here's how you can

4071
02:38:08,910 --> 02:38:06,720
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4072
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4074
02:38:19,750 --> 02:38:18,479
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4075
02:38:20,710 --> 02:38:19,760
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4076
02:38:22,710 --> 02:38:20,720
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4077
02:38:24,870 --> 02:38:22,720
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